ELMS Fiasco

BrianV

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Livestock Farmer
Given what we know of Defra it goes without saying that this whole ELMS project is going to end up a right fiasco with endless delayed payments, endless queries, & intrusive inspections, surely for the first few years it would make far more sense to continue with the SFP but have it restricted to the first 200 acres or if you want to be a Europhile 100 hectares, above that acreage Elms projects could be applied for.
This would at a stroke remove 50% or more of farms from needing inspections & endless additional paperwork in the early teething problem times and at the same time give a guarantee of an income to smaller often older farmers. We are all only too aware of the endless incompetence that always goes with these massive changes of the subsidy system, just for once it would be really nice if common sense prevailed!
 

BrianV

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Livestock Farmer
Take it you got 200 acres ...😄
No a lot more than that we farm about 700 acres with an average field size of around 5 acres, but you just know this is going to end badly & it's the smaller older farmers that will be hit hardest, the big boys often have the staff to put to deciphering the complicated system they are proposing but one man bands will struggle to cope & you can be absolutely sure Defra will not cope!!
 
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Hampton

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Location
Shropshire
No an awful lot more than that, but you just know this is going to end badly & it's the smaller older farmers that will be hit hardest, the big boys often have the staff to put to deciphering the complicated system they are proposing but one man bands will struggle to cope & you can be absolutely sure Defra will not cope!!
I 100% agree with you.
I’ve got way more than 200 acres too, but feel that it would have been far more sensible to cap it to that and then pay above and beyond that on elms.
The young farmer scheme was paid on the first 50? Hectares and no more. Nobody seemed to have a problem with that.
Apparently small Cumbrian hill farms and council tennant farms should feel the same pain as estates and large farms according to some on here.
And the second post is the same answer the now pariahed Guy Smith always used to trot out when talk of a subsidy cap came up.
Boils my p!ss
 

serf

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Location
warwickshire
No a lot more than that we farm about 700 acres with an average field size of around 5 acres, but you just know this is going to end badly & it's the smaller older farmers that will be hit hardest, the big boys often have the staff to put to deciphering the complicated system they are proposing but one man bands will struggle to cope & you can be absolutely sure Defra will not cope!!
Well their track record with these type of things is carp ..... just when they get the job right they change the scheme ....
 

ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Given what we know of Defra it goes without saying that this whole ELMS project is going to end up a right fiasco with endless delayed payments, endless queries, & intrusive inspections, surely for the first few years it would make far more sense to continue with the SFP but have it restricted to the first 200 acres or if you want to be a Europhile 100 hectares, above that acreage Elms projects could be applied for.
This would at a stroke remove 50% or more of farms from needing inspections & endless additional paperwork in the early teething problem times and at the same time give a guarantee of an income to smaller often older farmers. We are all only too aware of the endless incompetence that always goes with these massive changes of the subsidy system, just for once it would be really nice if common sense prevailed!
It ain’t a subsidy
 

Tim W

Member
Location
Wiltshire
Given what we know of Defra it goes without saying that this whole ELMS project is going to end up a right fiasco with endless delayed payments, endless queries, & intrusive inspections, surely for the first few years it would make far more sense to continue with the SFP but have it restricted to the first 200 acres or if you want to be a Europhile 100 hectares, above that acreage Elms projects could be applied for.
This would at a stroke remove 50% or more of farms from needing inspections & endless additional paperwork in the early teething problem times and at the same time give a guarantee of an income to smaller often older farmers. We are all only too aware of the endless incompetence that always goes with these massive changes of the subsidy system, just for once it would be really nice if common sense prevailed!

The BPS (AKA landowners dole ) is going ---get used to it
ELMS is not designed to replace BPS
In the future if you enter a scheme (ELMS or other) you will have to do more for your money --the taxpayer cannot afford otherwise

There will be no guarantee of income to farmers ---they will have to stand on their own 2 feet
 
Location
Devon
The BPS (AKA landowners dole ) is going ---get used to it
ELMS is not designed to replace BPS
In the future if you enter a scheme (ELMS or other) you will have to do more for your money --the taxpayer cannot afford otherwise

There will be no guarantee of income to farmers ---they will have to stand on their own 2 feet
NHS gets 220 billion a year of taxpayers money to basically now do sweet FA..

BPS to UK farmers is just 3 billion a year of taxpayers money to ensure a ready and wholesome supply of food for the country..

Which is the best deal??
 
NHS gets 220 billion a year of taxpayers money to basically now do sweet FA..

BPS to UK farmers is just 3 billion a year of taxpayers money to ensure a ready and wholesome supply of food for the country..

Which is the best deal??
I would agree that the NHS could be managed better but I think they manage to do a little more than 'sweet FA' with their funding!
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
NHS gets 220 billion a year of taxpayers money to basically now do sweet FA..

BPS to UK farmers is just 3 billion a year of taxpayers money to ensure a ready and wholesome supply of food for the country..

Which is the best deal??
Actually run out of UK produced food around 20th August., so another billion would keep us going till after Christmas?
 

BrianV

Member
Livestock Farmer
The BPS (AKA landowners dole ) is going ---get used to it
ELMS is not designed to replace BPS
In the future if you enter a scheme (ELMS or other) you will have to do more for your money --the taxpayer cannot afford otherwise

There will be no guarantee of income to farmers ---they will have to stand on their own 2 feet
In that case as we are standing on our own two feet can we assume we can now rip out all these expensive to maintain hedges & farm prairie just like our competitors if we don't claim any taxpayers money, if not why not?
 
Location
Devon
I would agree that the NHS could be managed better but I think they manage to do a little more than 'sweet FA' with their funding!

Not much more but the point is that the country can give the NHS 220 billion a year but according to Tim W the country cannot afford less than 3 billion a year to ensure we have a stable food supply.......
 

Tim W

Member
Location
Wiltshire
In that case as we are standing on our own two feet can we assume we can now rip out all these expensive to maintain hedges & farm prairie just like our competitors if we don't claim any taxpayers money, if not why not?
No ---there will be rules against that i'm afraid
 

Tim W

Member
Location
Wiltshire
Not much more but the point is that the country can give the NHS 220 billion a year but according to Tim W the country cannot afford less than 3 billion a year to ensure we have a stable food supply.......
It's not just me that thinks that ---it's govt. & taxpayers too (& they're paying the bills/making the decisions )

It amazes me how the facts haven't yet sunk in for many farmers ---abrupt lessons to be learnt by many i'm afraid
 

Update on the Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot

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Update on the Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot

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In July, we opened the applications window for farmers to join our Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot.

The Sustainable Farming Incentive is 1 of the 3 new environmental land management schemes. It sits alongside the future Local Nature Recovery and Landscape Recovery schemes.

Through the Sustainable Farming Incentive, farmers will be paid for environmentally sustainable actions – ones that are simple to do and do not require previous agri-environment scheme experience.

We are piloting the scheme to...
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