ELMS Fiasco

[gone up the hill]

It's not just me that thinks that ---it's govt. & taxpayers too (& they're paying the bills/making the decisions )

It amazes me how the facts haven't yet sunk in for many farmers ---abrupt lessons to be learnt by many i'm afraid

Yep including you!

 

[Tim W]

Thought we were standing on our own two feet as you call it, if the public want to us to maintain hedges someone has to bare the cost after all it is a business not a charity!!

It's no longer going to be a charity --no more donations from the taxpayer
And i'll bet there will be rules to stop you ripping out hedges

 

[gone up the hill]

Taxpayers do not give a sh!t or not if farmers get 3 billion a year! That is just Gov spin!

 

[Woolless]

Not much more but the point is that the country can give the NHS 220 billion a year but according to Tim W the country cannot afford less than 3 billion a year to ensure we have a stable food supply.......

Yes, it has kept farmers in business but also allowed supermarkets to have a bigger slice of the pie and pay under COP in many cases.

 

[gone up the hill]

Yes, it has kept farmers in business but also allowed supermarkets to have a bigger slice of the pie and pay under COP in many cases.

Even without the BPS the supermarkets will have the same slice of the pie and still pay under cop in many cases!

What is going to happen is food shortages that there is no doubt!

 

[ajd132]

Actually it is not!

Are you saying its fine to rely on food imports and that if they do not turn up and people end up starving but thats okay as long as the useless NHS gets 220+ billion a year to do very little??

Let’s defund the NHS tomorrow and see how many of your loved ones die needlessly in the next ten years.
Although if you get your wish it will be given to you to carry on with an unsustainable business and you will be able to afford private healthcare.
Jesus.

 

[BrianV]

It's no longer going to be a charity --no more donations from the taxpayer
And i'll bet there will be rules to stop you ripping out hedges

Why should there be, we are expected to compete with the rest of the world under fair competition rules so if you want to keep pretty hedges then you the public have to be prepared to pay for their maintenance .

 

[Woolless]

Taxpayers do not give a sh!t or not if farmers get 3 billion a year! That is just Gov spin!

Massive debts incurred by the government over the covid crisis. All spending must come under very careful scrutiny and BPS was already on the way out. Of course, they could just end furlough now when there's 1 million job vacancies, that would help.

 

[gone up the hill]

Let’s defund the NHS tomorrow and see how many of your loved ones die needlessly in the next ten years.
Although if you get your wish it will be given to you to carry on with an unsustainable business and you will be able to afford private healthcare.
Jesus.

Unless you have covid you have little chance of getting treatment in the SW unless you need A+E but after that its a complete waste of time so yes most of the NHS should be scrapped!

Your business will not be sustainable if there is no livestock industry left in the UK either!

But you clearly are blind beyond your own farm gate!

 

[Woolless]

Even without the BPS the supermarkets will have the same slice of the pie and still pay under cop in many cases!

What is going to happen is food shortages that there is no doubt!

Could well be. The whole food supply chain in this country is a mess that needs sorted.

 

[Tim W]

Why should there be, we are expected to compete with the rest of the world under fair competition rules so if you want to keep pretty hedges then you the public have to be prepared to pay for their maintenance .

It is an irrelevant question
The BPS is going, we know that
ELMS will not replace it ---that is evident
The public expects that standards are maintained & we will have to comply

All the above is happening ---no point in whinging ---best to just be prepared

 

[DrWazzock]

Actually it is not!

Are you saying its fine to rely on food imports and that if they do not turn up and people end up starving but thats okay as long as the useless NHS gets 220+ billion a year to do very little??

I can just about agree with you there for once. The NHS is as good as non existent in our small town now despite the 220 billion. Lack of food supply security is already starting and will be a much bigger disaster.

 

[gone up the hill]

Massive debts incurred by the government over the covid crisis. All spending must come under very careful scrutiny and BPS was already on the way out. Of course, they could just end furlough now when there's 1 million job vacancies, that would help.

Government spending will always be out of control!

How much are they spending on the pointless HS2??

 

[Tim W]

Sorry i stirred the hornets nest ---best just to let folk wander into the future unprepared i guess

 

[gone up the hill]

Could well be. The whole food supply chain in this country is a mess that needs sorted.

It is going to get a lot worse yet, we have not even seen the start of it!

And that is before you get into the issue's like machinery parts now getting very hard to come by let alone Fert which looks like will very expensive next year and then that will be if you can get it which gets more and more likely you wont by every passing day!

A train wreck and massive problems are coming down the road for the UK Gov as thing stand.

 

[Wombat]

Sorry i stirred the hornets nest ---best just to let folk wander into the future unprepared i guess

If they could give an idea what it might be then it would be interesting, most of what I have seen we won’t be bothering. We will just intensify more to replace the bps and stop all the side projects like the voluntary margins, cleaning out ponds, planting wild flowers etc we do now with BPS

 

[DrWazzock]

Ergot thresholds more strict, results in the end of grass margins etc. They can’t have it both ways.

 

[delilah]

Just an observation on the suggestion that 'the money is going'. It isn't going, it is still there, the issue that remains unresolved is what it will be spent on. Which is fine - the unresolved bit - because it is still very early days.

 

[BrianV]

It is an irrelevant question
The BPS is going, we know that
ELMS will not replace it ---that is evident
The public expects that standards are maintained & we will have to comply

All the above is happening ---no point in whinging ---best to just be prepared

It's not a question of whinging, it's a case of making sure there is a sustainable future for young farmers to come into, we in the main older farmers can muddle along say to hell with DEFRA & keep & spend far less but if you want young enthusiastic youngsters to come into the industry & farm on their own there has to be a viable future producing good food not just wild flowers!

 

[Tubbylew]

It is an irrelevant question
The BPS is going, we know that
ELMS will not replace it ---that is evident
The public expects that standards are maintained & we will have to comply

All the above is happening ---no point in whinging ---best to just be prepared

The one inevitable fact is that the government always wins.