ELMS Fiasco

Tubbylew

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Location
Herefordshire
It's not a question of whinging, it's a case of making sure there is a sustainable future for young farmers to come into, we in the main older farmers can muddle along say to hell with DEFRA & keep & spend far less but if you want young enthusiastic youngsters to come into the industry & farm on their own there has to be a viable future producing good food not just wild flowers!
Young farmers have all but dissappeared hereabouts, there are a few die hards, but most of them have trades and other jobs, I can't see it altering, the capital required is too large and the returns too poor even with bps.
 

Spuddler

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Summer set
You can’t compare the NHS against the agri sector. NHS provides a valued service to us in which we have to pay, it is not or should not be a business.
UK agriculture however should at least be half expected to hold their own financially
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
Unless you have covid you have little chance of getting treatment in the SW unless you need A+E but after that its a complete waste of time so yes most of the NHS should be scrapped!

Your business will not be sustainable if there is no livestock industry left in the UK either!

But you clearly are blind beyond your own farm gate!

Untrue. Treatments are is still going ahead in the SW. Don't believe all you read in the media.
 

ewald

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Mid-Lincs
The NHS is the ultimate money pit - the medics will always spend everything we give them and then complain they are underfunded. GPs are saying today that they need more funding if they are to go back to face-to-face consultations.
Unbelievable.
Except we all know it is true.
The NHS will bankrupt this country if we let it.
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
Is it about money ? Or is it about doctors living in fear of getting infected ?

GPs are reporting increases in patients needing their attention. People have put off consulting their GPs, and are now coming forward in numbers.
Some patients don't understand the telephone appointments system, so will report dissatisfaction about perceived lack of face to face appointments. GPs do ask patients to come in to surgery when it's necessary.
 

Tim W

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
It's not a question of whinging, it's a case of making sure there is a sustainable future for young farmers to come into, we in the main older farmers can muddle along say to hell with DEFRA & keep & spend far less but if you want young enthusiastic youngsters to come into the industry & farm on their own there has to be a viable future producing good food not just wild flowers!
Reliance on subsidy is not sustainable
If we do away with it the farmers that can't cope will leave and new farmers with different models and who are not addicted to govt aid will take their place

The reduction in state payments should be good for new farmers
 

Northern territory

Member
Livestock Farmer
Reliance on subsidy is not sustainable
If we do away with it the farmers that can't cope will leave and new farmers with different models and who are not addicted to govt aid will take their place

The reduction in state payments should be good for new farmers
Do you think the new farmers are really there. Although I agree with a lot of your points all that seems to be happening around here is less and less farmers and bigger units.
 

Terry75

Member
Mixed Farmer
Reliance on subsidy is not sustainable
If we do away with it the farmers that can't cope will leave and new farmers with different models and who are not addicted to govt aid will take their place

The reduction in state payments should be good for new farmers
I don't see it Tim, the risks and uncertainty is unsettling for the seasoned operators let alone the start ups.
The money needed to get going is just frightening and then to give yourself and your family a decent living.
 

Top Tip.

Member
Location
highland
Reliance on subsidy is not sustainable
If we do away with it the farmers that can't cope will leave and new farmers with different models and who are not addicted to govt aid will take their place

The reduction in state payments should be good for new farmers
This might be ok on better ground where you can get the production to cover your costs but in the extensive hill and upland sector it just means the end of farming in these areas. Farming subs in these areas always has been and always will be a social subsidy to maintain the fabric of the countryside. Schools go ,shops go and then the people go .
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Reliance on subsidy is not sustainable
If we do away with it the farmers that can't cope will leave and new farmers with different models and who are not addicted to govt aid will take their place

The reduction in state payments should be good for new farmers
BPS is on average 50% of farm income. We will see a high number of aid addicts having to leave the industry, the pressures will mean some will sadly head to the river. Who are these new farmers, how will they find the capital and what are these magical new business models you speak of?
 

GeorgeK

Member
Location
Leicestershire
BPS is on average 50% of farm income. We will see a high number of aid addicts having to leave the industry, the pressures will mean some will sadly head to the river. Who are these new farmers, how will they find the capital and what are these magical new business models you speak of?
Judging by some posts on here new entrant's magical new business models involve a big new tractor on finance and going contracting @£20/hour...
 

Bill the Bass

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
I don't see it Tim, the risks and uncertainty is unsettling for the seasoned operators let alone the start ups.
The money needed to get going is just frightening and then to give yourself and your family a decent living.
Round here here is a lot of youngsters some with quite a lot of capital, but they just can’t get the access to land, part of the problem is that an existing farm business has a guaranteed income of £20+ K in government support plus ae money so why would you consider retirement when the government is in some cases handing out £50k plus before you even turn a wheel?
 

No wot

Member
The reduction in state payments should be good for new farmers
For a very , very , few new farmers may be ( the capital needed now days is mind blowing), but will be good for establish units who have young (New ) farmers coming into those agri businesses without all the associated start up costs
 

Raider112

Member
Just an observation on the suggestion that 'the money is going'. It isn't going, it is still there, the issue that remains unresolved is what it will be spent on. Which is fine - the unresolved bit - because it is still very early days.
The difference is that before you could invest the money as you see fit. In future it will have to be spent on things from a list of options that may or may not benefit your business.
If you have to spend £9,000 on something that's not beneficial to your business just to get paid £10,000 you are only getting £1,000 even though the Government appears to be throwing money at it.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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