There were plenty of farmers before subsidies there will be plenty after there gone........
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There were plenty of farmers before subsidies there will be plenty after there gone........
In reality though, ELMs is years away. 2024 before any pilot schemes start and 27/28 before its rolled out. It’s what to do in the intervening years when BPS diminishes that should be our focus .
Mid tier looks an option again for me. Stick to whole field simple options , some like overwintered stubble aren’t to onerous or a 2yr legume fallow at £211/acre .
But, and it’s a big but, these schemes won’t replace the fact we’ve had BPS AND been able to crop the fields . Any new scheme isn’t replacing this, but paying for income forgone .
I think if I was a predominantly livestock farm, I’d look at options like the herbal leys at £125/acre payment and maybe reduced stock numbers to fit , and stop buying fertiliser etc.
Every farm and situation will be different , but don’t just think that schemes mean you have to re wild everything or let brambles take over.
Well I am resigned to the fact sheep will always disappoint me! If I can convince enough producers the price will crash maybe we will see a cut in production to slightly buffer the impact of no free trade deal with the EU.. I do hope to have sold a fair proportion of this seasons lambs before the real Brexit date... The bigger question will be what to do come next Autumn...
Well (IMO) history has taught us that the implementation of any new scheme under UK gov has been less than straight forward, it has problems and takes a good while to bottom out tech and practical issues. I have been offered a 5 yr Mid Tier contract starting Jan 2020, whilst I do the applications myself I do have an agent who will be far closer to the action and will get central updates from policy makers, so I asked the question you did "accept the contract or wait for ELMS", her reply is ELMS will probably still be in turmoil when my Mid Tier scheme ends, she also said ELMS is being too rushed as with everything at the moment, so whilst this may get it out in the market early, it looks and feels like a bureaucratic mess.
Pilots next year I believe....Not what I learnt from a recent TFA meeting and a local agent .
No - haven’t you been reading the other thread, all the arable boys are going into sheep production to bring grass into the rotation, and sheep are worth a fortune! Win winWell I am resigned to the fact sheep will always disappoint me! If I can convince enough producers the price will crash maybe we will see a cut in production to slightly buffer the impact of no free trade deal with the EU.. I do hope to have sold a fair proportion of this seasons lambs before the real Brexit date... The bigger question will be what to do come next Autumn...
No - haven’t you been reading the other thread, all the arable boys are going into sheep production to bring grass into the rotation, and sheep are worth a fortune! Win win
Feels like that here too. I'm not too concerned about myself but I have a young son who's mad keen and I feel like I need to steer him away from what he loves doing while he's still at school.im rapidly coming to the view that my building a farming business from scratch with the production of crops and livestock as a core enterprise has over the last 40 years been an utter and total waste of my efforts,
But, and it’s a big but, these schemes won’t replace the fact we’ve had BPS AND been able to crop the fields . Any new scheme isn’t replacing this, but paying for income forgone .
Hope your right. How do you become a pilot?Pilots next year I believe....
I looked at STEPS this year, but i thought it was a maximum of £5k yr, to cover 5 yrs, with a max of 3ha.My mantra in the past when we have had financial hiccups over my farming life is "Dog and Stick" it... Admittedly, we have some support payments in the background, but the herbal leys may well be an option on a lot of our more marginal land, along with bird mix and some pollen and nectar mixture.
I am having a meeting tomorrow and will be looking long and hard at how Mid Tier can allow this and how well will it fit my farming for the next 5 years! STEPS adviser has alraedy indicated interest in a 5 year 10ha block of herbal ley in 2021, probably following an overwinterd cover crop and/or OWS.
STEPS money will spread the risk from RPA messing up of having a wobbly....
Hope your right. How do you become a pilot?
Mine goes into my bank account.......for about a weekEven if we don't pay tax we spend in the local economy what will happen to all the business that we support machinery dealers fertiliser companies vets medicine/worker suppliers the list goes on have they thought about the wider implications of sun removal what comes round goes round it doesn't just get put into bank accounts and stay there
Hope your right. How do you become a pilot?
I looked at STEPS this year, but i thought it was a maximum of £5k yr, to cover 5 yrs, with a max of 3ha.
You take lots of lessons and get some flying hours in. Good diversification plan.
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Local vegan/rambling/badger etc group in charge of your environment schemes?
Before subs farmers were poor but so were everybody else!Yes plenty farmers before subs, but back then folk had very little expense, they were poor then as well but things they needed cost very little also, fuel, fertiliser, etc. How can any one pay 100grand for a tractor it's crazy,