ELMS - the full process to be launched in 2027.

This article was on the FWI; the timelines and planned changes/roll outs caught my eye. The full article was more about the government refusing to accept (import standard) amendments to the Bill when its passed back from the Lords. Ive pasted that element at the end, but as the section about domestic policy was more interesting.


Domestic policy
Turning to domestic policy, Mr Eustice shed more light on how the sector would transition towards the planned new Environmental Land Management (ELM) scheme.
“We will be publishing in November a plan which gives farmers much more clarity about the journey over the next seven years,” he said.
See also: NFU unveils plan for Environmental Land Management scheme
There would be three tiers to the new policy, and the aim was to acclimatise people gradually.
“So we envisage that, in around 2022, we will roll out a prototype version of the Tier One scheme – the Sustainable Farming Incentive.
“In 2022 and 2023, we would like to drive up participation rates in Countryside Stewardship and use the powers we have in the Agriculture Bill to simplify that further, so that it starts to become a stepping stone to the Tier Two of the future policies.
“And then, also around this time, we will start to roll out some of the bespoke schemes around woodland creation, peatland restoration and some of those bigger schemes that might involve land use change, which will become effectively a prototype for the Third Tier.”
The full ELM process, when launched in 2027, would then become a consolidation of those prototype versions.
“The benefit is that you can progressively reduce the Basic Payment Scheme and give farmers the ability to recoup some of that funding by doing the types of things we want through paying for the delivery of public goods. You avoid a big bang revolution, and it gives farmers time to work out what works for their own businesses.”

Government to reject Lord’s amendments on food standards

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The UK government has no intentions of accepting any amendments to the Agriculture Bill when it returns to the House of Commons – including those relating to food trade standards – Defra secretary George Eustice has confirmed.
The House of Lords recently voted strongly in favour of an amendment which would make it a legal requirement for future food imports to match UK standards in terms of animal welfare and environmental impact.

It also sought to grant greater powers to the new Trade and Agriculture Commission where reports and recommendations could be properly scrutinised by MPs in relation to all future free-trade deals.
But during a debate with NFU president Minette Batters at the Virtual Conservative Party Conference on Monday night (5 October), Mr Eustice said the government was sticking to its guns.
As a former Defra secretary of state, international trade secretary Liz Truss did understand the importance of maintaining consumer confidence, he said.
“I know, though, that I’m afraid we are unlikely to be accepting amendments to the bill,” he added.
“I know that Liz Truss is giving some consideration as to how the work of this (Trade and Agriculture Commission) can feed in to some of our thinking and giving it a more established role, but stopping short of some sort of statutory requirement on that.”
 

beardface

Member
Location
East Yorkshire
So much for Elms roll out in 2024 to helpthe transition. Prototype is code for pilot, meaning they only need a few farmers to sign up yo tick the participation box. CS only covers income forgone so no win there. So an Elms roll out in 2027 looks a lot like attrition tactics.
 

4course

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
north yorks
I came to the view a while ago that the best thing to do is to grow the business away from pure farming, My intention is to push on further to reduce the % of farm commodities in the business though that wont stop us farming just make it a hobby so we can enjoy it again!!!
 

Frank-the-Wool

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
I am always nervous when politicians refer to a "journey", which normally means we have absolutely no idea where we are going. I had already calculated that the earliest we were likely to have a new scheme was 2027, which is why George "Useless" has suggested some sort of interim payment scheme. (Another IT disaster looms!)

What is much more worrying is that I fear it is unlikely the phasing out of BPS will not change. Those of us in HLS/CS are being encouraged to keep rolling over the existing schemes, however a major issue to this is that the money will remain the same (effectively devalued every year) and any penalties can still go back to the start of the scheme. This means that even a minor mistake could be eye wateringly expensive. If the schemes are rolled over they should have an inflation increase and no penalties earlier than the date the scheme restarts.
For some in HLS they will not be able to start a new scheme until 1/1/22 now and may lose out on payments of several months.

I believe that when the ELMS trials start properly they will quickly realise that the large arable farms will not even think about going into it. By the time we get to 2027 all of these will be more than 2,000 acres.
Dairy farms will not want the distraction of ELMS.
So it leaves what were livestock farms on marginal land to plant trees and store water and perhaps have a bit of rewilding with Beavers and Lynx so the only sheep will be used as food for the introduced predators and other species like Wolves.
Beef cattle will be banned as they might injure the "Right to Roam" walkers.

Suddenly we are short of food and hey presto a new scheme is invented called "deficiency payments" which once again encourages farmers to grow food that people need to eat instead of having it imported.

Just my thoughts on where we might end up!!
 

4course

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
north yorks
having tried to work out any financial benefit to the farm business that the proposed schemes ideas are going to bring I cant see any so reckon the way forward is to replace the current payment with a profit /income source from elswhere and not get bogged down in fanciful schemes that will only slow the demise of uk ag .I envisage a reduction in farmer sole busineses and an increase in age of the land holder wether they are or not the actual farmer by old men hanging on for a few years until the land reverts to scrub ,other than the best land that will be farmed by agri business if it isnt already in a roundabout way through the control of both sales and inputs, As granny used to say forgive them lord they know not what they do
 

Northern territory

Member
Livestock Farmer
I am always nervous when politicians refer to a "journey", which normally means we have absolutely no idea where we are going. I had already calculated that the earliest we were likely to have a new scheme was 2027, which is why George "Useless" has suggested some sort of interim payment scheme. (Another IT disaster looms!)

What is much more worrying is that I fear it is unlikely the phasing out of BPS will not change. Those of us in HLS/CS are being encouraged to keep rolling over the existing schemes, however a major issue to this is that the money will remain the same (effectively devalued every year) and any penalties can still go back to the start of the scheme. This means that even a minor mistake could be eye wateringly expensive. If the schemes are rolled over they should have an inflation increase and no penalties earlier than the date the scheme restarts.
For some in HLS they will not be able to start a new scheme until 1/1/22 now and may lose out on payments of several months.

I believe that when the ELMS trials start properly they will quickly realise that the large arable farms will not even think about going into it. By the time we get to 2027 all of these will be more than 2,000 acres.
Dairy farms will not want the distraction of ELMS.
So it leaves what were livestock farms on marginal land to plant trees and store water and perhaps have a bit of rewilding with Beavers and Lynx so the only sheep will be used as food for the introduced predators and other species like Wolves.
Beef cattle will be banned as they might injure the "Right to Roam" walkers.

Suddenly we are short of food and hey presto a new scheme is invented called "deficiency payments" which once again encourages farmers to grow food that people need to eat instead of having it imported.

Just my thoughts on where we might end up!!
Bang on I would say. The more I read the less inviting it becomes.
 

Farma Parma

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
Serve a notice and get rent reviewed
we will all be doing that in the next 12 months
I have done it twice and got reductions aha and fbt
we wont have any choice there not gonna reduce it are they....
AHA & ball is in our court but it wont be easy this carryon.....
got HLS here 2yr left & already told they will likely extend it one year at a time.
 

4course

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
north yorks
so where does it leave the tenant farmer thats my worry? we cant keep paying the same rents as the BPS decrease's year on year surely ?
rents will not go down as fast as bps decreases as there will always be local hero who will be hell bent on farming multiple acres at least in the first few years until they realise its too late
 

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