End of the Road for Small Livestock Farms?

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
A lot of land has a cost price of around 10K/acre, is the share farmer going to match that investment ?
Doesn't need to ! That's just the joy of it

NZ you can be a worker then with a % of income / profits and still be an employee Manager

You can build up a few cows in the herd of your own by agreement. You can then SHARE farm. Two separate businesses with different assets and agreed split of labour and inputs. One of the landowners benefits would be land capital appreciation. The land needs farming anyway and the ag profitability and sustainability can be maintained. The value of the land / cost of new land is a reflection of wider issues than the ag capacity of the land
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
Share farming? 😂

It's a good NZ concept that has been barstewardized by UK land agents. In it's British format it allows landowners to obtain large rents for land, while still keeping their active farmer status, with all the associated subsidy and tax benefits.

The peasant puts in the capital, takes the financial risk, does all the work and at the end of the year, the Lord takes a proportion of his profit.

Fück me. I've just read back a few of my recent posts. Seriously concerned I'm turning into @glasshouse.
Welcome to the other side
Come round and i can measure you up for your chip😜
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Doesn't need to ! That's just the joy of it

NZ you can be a worker then with a % of income / profits and still be an employee Manager

You can build up a few cows in the herd of your own by agreement. You can then SHARE farm. Two separate businesses with different assets and agreed split of labour and inputs. One of the landowners benefits would be land capital appreciation. The land needs farming anyway and the ag profitability and sustainability can be maintained. The value of the land / cost of new land is a reflection of wider issues than the ag capacity of the land
I didn't say match it with money
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
NFFN Member
Not many cattle fattend on grass in the U.K. now man , shed and concentrates, some of the breeds won’t fatten on grass and some to flighty to be out anyway, can’t get them in to handle etc is the truth of the matter .

The diversity of breeds of cattle and sheep in the UK are part of our problem. NZ did away with all that under Rogernomics as it just wasn't viable. They run very few, clearly "fit for purpose", breeds.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
Not many cattle fattend on grass in the U.K. now man , shed and concentrates, some of the breeds won’t fatten on grass and some to flighty to be out anyway, can’t get them in to handle etc is the truth of the matter .
Those cattle are only 2 or 3 generations away from reality though. Mind you the reality of "fat" off grass is also relative.... I believe they taught y'all to be afraid of fat? "Lean is best"

I see alot clearly state they would get dicked "on the grid" for my type of plain cattle, which is about the reality of it; beef prices really have one way to go and I think you can guess
 

BrianV

Member
Livestock Farmer
I cannot disagree. This is down to the low cost of carbon foot print calculations.
When carbon tax is set very low it’s like a £1 speeding ticket. Not a disincentive to speed, now what if carbon tax was like the new speeding ticket system based on income of the person speeding? Higher the income they have, the higher the cost of the speeding ticket.
if you didn’t know to quote the uk system.

You will be issued with a fixed penalty notice (speeding ticket), which constitutes three penalty points on your licence and a fine between 25% and 75% of your weekly income. If there are other factors, such as driving near a school or driving a heavy-goods vehicle, you may need to appear in court and face a larger speeding fine.
And do you seriously think China will cough up any carbon tax, god help any tax inspector who goes out to collect it!
 

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