Enough Now!

[Samherd]

I recently went onto a farm having been a herdsman for over 20 years and was shocked that the farmer had obviously been so scared by acts of violence and his milk being sabotaged by Vegan Activists that he has installed cctv cameras across the whole parlour and straight at the bulk container.... Couldn't believe my eyes that it has come to this....
When does the law kick in... From the small level of research I have done... No police were involved with the majority of cases where activists were clearly seen breaking into farms.... Shocking!
He told me that the cameras were there for my own safety.... This is not the first time I have heard of this happening on farms but still its a joke.... Now we are having to work under a consistent threat of people breaking in and sabotaging our parlours, milk, and more.... He also said that the cameras are there incase anyone breaks in.... It shocks me.... What next....
Keeping livestock safe and clean are a major priority for me as a herdsman I take my job seriously... I ask myself this question... How can they trapes in dirt and germs from outside the farm and then trapes it through barns, break into someone's property and not get done by police for trespassing as some have I know but not all... And then sabotage the parlour which in turn would cause a whole heap of problems on the farm and off it too....
This has to stop... Enough is enough...
I know this is a bit of a rant but it's becoming more of an issue for sure....

 

[kiwi pom]

Getting quite a few sheds with cctv around the milk vats here now too.
I guess Ag is just going the same way as other businesses.
The cameras aren't just there to look out for trespassers either.

 

[Ted M]

Friend I do a bit of work for just had several cameras installed (including one ANPR camera on the lane) in all the places you mentioned and the calving shed.
Given our own government's apparent disregard for the industry I wouldn't expect the boys in blue to come charging over the hill anytime soon

 

[Samherd]

Friend I do a bit of work for just had several cameras installed (including one ANPR camera on the lane) in all the places you mentioned and the calving shed.
Given our own government's apparent disregard for the industry I wouldn't expect the boys in blue to come charging over the hill anytime soon

I don't think he has them in sheds yet.... But given the extent of the issues as they are at the moment.... Probably wouldn't be a bad idea.... And the ANPR is a great idea but they would probably enter on foot across fields and land....

 

[Samherd]

My friend told me about a website that has literally every dairy farm in the UK on one huge interactive map..... I mean wtf ?️?️???

 

[Ted M]

Unfortunately it will take a fatality on one side or the other before this gets taken seriously.
There are some sick individuals out there or on the other hand a frightened farmer at the end of his mental tether with a shotgun.
You are definitely right enough is enough.

 

[Nearly]

Unfortunately it will take a fatality on one side or the other before this gets taken seriously.
There are some sick individuals out there or on the other hand a frightened farmer at the end of his mental tether with a shotgun.
You are definitely right enough is enough.

The trespassers have changed from people who know they are doing wrong to people who think they are doing right.
Both act as if they are above the law because the law does not care.

 

[Danllan]

...This has to stop... Enough is enough...
I know this is a bit of a rant but it's becoming more of an issue for sure....

I am no fan of the police but they are only part of the problem. They are underfunded, many of them have an appalling attitude - visibly recording all contact seems to help this... - but that's just not the big issue.

The CPS have the decisions to make in re prosecution and they tell the police that such things won't be successful. This has the immediate and obvious effect of there being no on-going prosecutions, and the delayed effect of putting the police off trying to initiate others.

I've chatted about this with friends still practising and who regularly prosecute for the CPS. They think that the only way to see a change is for there to be unambiguous legislation that, effectively, forces the hands of the CPS and police. This has had significant success when used in other fields, e.g. illegal occupation of land / squatting etc..

 

[Swarfmonkey]

I would have thought that aggravated trespass is pretty clear cut as it is. If you’re on private property without permission attempting to stop the legal activity that takes place there then what else could it be?

As to the CPS, former colleagues I keep in touch with who went into the plod after they’d finished with their first career tend to refer to it as the Criminal Protection Service, which should give you a good idea of how much faith they place in it.

 

[Samherd]

Bottom line is..... These people keep getting away with this.... I know not everyone's farm is going to be set up in the way that we would all like and there is normally a million ways to get into it ie from a footpath through land or similar... I am also aware... From my own place that the house is not as close to the dairy unit as I would like (quote... Not everyone's farm is set up the way they would like)
What's the answer? I don't know myself.... But where do we go from here... I thought of a number of ways such as livestock guardian dogs similar to what they use abroad to keep stock safe and alert if anything is untoward happening.... What happens if a farmers dog (who wasn't friendly) bit one of these people.... What happens to the dog etc...
As far as I understand it.... If someone comes onto your land and is obviously not. On a footpath or similar then that to me is tresspassing.... I am aware that we all have a ramblers society who are normally good and don't visit farms in the middle of the night.... Which brings me to my other point.... Most dairy farmers myself included are out in their parlour early in the morning from at least 4.30am onwards.... Chances are if these people are going to visit they will probably do it before this time possibly because they have watched your evening routine and morning one too and so can visit anytime..... Many videos I have seen now having done some more research this morning.... Seem to be in the dead of night when they know no one is going to be around or at least on the farm..... Our cows would start the minute someone comes near them as they seem to do it with strangers and make a whole heap of noise etc etc..... Just makes me wonder ?

 

[Castle Farm]

You need to get together and if they turn up phone your neighbours. Pick axe handles at the ready.

 

[Samherd]

You need to get together and if they turn up phone your neighbours. Pick axe handles at the ready.

Agreed!!!? ????

 

[Swarfmonkey]

That’s one way of dealing with the problem, though I wouldn’t openly suggest such an approach on a forum that can be read by all and sundry.

How about a few private prosecutions pour encourager les autres? Not exactly cheap though....

 

[Samherd]

That’s one way of dealing with the problem, though I wouldn’t openly suggest such an approach on a forum that can be read by all and sundry.

How about a few private prosecutions pour encourager les autres? Not exactly cheap though....

This is true but you would have to find out who the person is to private prosecute them... Now thats a challenge

 

[Swarfmonkey]

There are businesses that specialise in things like that, and given the average farm-invading vegan wingnut is looking for maximum publicity, they don’t exactly hide themselves away. Hit them where it hurts - their liberty and their pockets.

I know that direct action may be very tempting, but you can be damn sure that the one thing plod can’t stand is people taking matters into their own hands. Shows ‘em up as being ineffectual buffoons - which they really don’t like - and they’ll pillory you for it.

 

[Samherd]

There are businesses that specialise in things like that, and given the average farm-invading vegan wingnut is looking for maximum publicity, they don’t exactly hide themselves away. Hit them where it hurts - their liberty and their pockets.

I know that direct action may be very tempting, but you can be damn sure that the one thing plod can’t stand is people taking matters into their own hands. Shows ‘em up as being ineffectual buffoons - which they really don’t like - and they’ll pillory you for it.

If they come onto my farm in actual fact let's face it what can you do.... I mean if I saw them what can you do/say etc..... Most farms are in the middle of knowhere.... Police maybe able to help in this situation but its a hard one.... I think the government need to realise that most farms are now classed as at risk because of this....

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Say nothing to them apart from "please leave my property". They're looking for a reaction, one they can plaster all over Twatter and Faceache. I know it's not easy to say naff all in return when you've got some loon screaming at you (personal experience of that with the CAAT wingnuts at DSEI a few years ago), but if you break and go off on one then in their stunted little minds they've "won the argument", and you'll be immortalised on social media forever.

As to what you can do, you can make their visit an unpleasant one. Big nasty dogs to put them off to begin with, sprinkler systems (nothing cools the ardour of a demonstrator more than being pi$$ wet through when it's 5 degrees C outside), extremely bright spotlights in buildings, Master Blaster sirens if they get into buildings without livestock in. CCTV to gather evidence of their aggravated trespass. Use your phone to record EVERYTHING they say to you.

 

[teslacoils]

Perhaps there needs to be some kind of levy / farmer subscription fund to provide resources for private prosecutions either of the nutjobs, or of the police for failing to act.

I don't know what vexes me more , these nutters everywhere or plod standing by doing nothing despite having a plethora of tools to remove them.

 

[Werzle]

Farmers have all got to soft, watching out the window while people steal their machinery or animal rights people walking around the yard. Get stuck in ffs, once these people know we are not going to roll over they will think twice. I have challenged poachers to fight/ shot dogs and told a local thief point blank that if i catch him stealing from me he will leave on a stretcher. I treat them like i would if i met an intruder inside my house. I am not saying do something illegal but stand up for whats right. Police are not going to lock you up for challenging strangers on your farm in the dark when you felt threatened.

 

[JP1]

If they come onto my farm in actual fact let's face it what can you do.... I mean if I saw them what can you do/say etc..... Most farms are in the middle of knowhere.... Police maybe able to help in this situation but its a hard one.... I think the government need to realise that most farms are now classed as at risk because of this....

The dairy industry should have a one focal point liaison with Central policing intelligence