Enough

[DrWazzock]

It's time to cancel the Brexit.

I personally invested a great deal of time, resource and energy in the Independence cause but can now see we are on a hiding to nothing or more likely a much worse situation than at present.

We are wasting government time flailing about trying to find a credible way forward and really there isn't one or it would have been found by now.

The risks in continuing with Brexit are huge for trade, for sparking of nationalist conflict, for the needless hindrance of people going about their everyday lives and work.

Its been tried. Its got this far. It has failed. Lets get over it and move on.

There isn't a workable way forward that wont cost billions, reintroduce terrible inefficiencies or trigger unnecessary conflict.

Sorry to say this, but I genuinely believe it. Yes I was wrong. Very wrong.

Yes it does make my teeth itch to see some of the worst excesses of EU rules and directives, the gravy trains of failed politicians ruling the roost and all those very good reasons to oppose the EU but to be fair its the best that can be made of a difficult job and we need to grin and bear it and try to sort it out from within rather than ending up in outright conflict with it.

The Johnson Gove comedy act is hopelessly out of touch with reality if it thinks they will be able to implement the mammoth task of re-establishing trade links with the rest of the world before we have reached the point of economic collapse. Johnson sees himself as some sort of modern day Winston Churchill, but he has none of his political substance but just lots of hot air. Michael Gove works for himself and for middle class England, courting the eco green Conservative middle class with no real understanding of agricultural matters. Its a disaster in waiting for British agriculture.

It really is time for somebody to get a grip and turn it around in the national interest before its too late.

Enough is enough. We have had 20 months to come up with a plan and so far there is absolutely nothing. of any credibility whatsoever or what gives me any hope that the Brexit will end in success.

If I was the Conservative Party I'd call a General Election on the sole issue of cancelling Brexit entirely and campaign for dear life to persuade the British people what they should have but failed to persuade them of during the referendum. If it destroys the Conservative Party then so be it. At least they would have gone down doing the honourable thing, fighting for the true best interests of all UK citizens.

For one thing this would reduce Mr Corbyn to the irrelevant opportunist that he truly is and send the DUP packing.

Utterly fed up of the whole omnishambles.

 

[turbo]

It's time to cancel the Brexit.

I personally invested a great deal of time, resource and energy in the Independence cause but can now see we are on a hiding to nothing or more likely a much worse situation than at present.

We are wasting government time flailing about trying to find a credible way forward and really there isn't one or it would have been found by now.

The risks in continuing with Brexit are huge for trade, for sparking of nationalist conflict, for the needless hindrance of people going about their everyday lives and work.

Its been tried. Its got this far. It has failed. Lets get over it and move on.

There isn't a workable way forward that wont cost billions, reintroduce terrible inefficiencies or trigger unnecessary conflict.

Sorry to say this, but I genuinely believe it. Yes I was wrong. Very wrong.

Yes it does make my teeth itch to see some of the worst excesses of EU rules and directives, the gravy trains of failed politicians ruling the roost and all those very good reasons to oppose the EU but to be fair its the best that can be made of a difficult job and we need to grin and bear it and try to sort it out from within rather than ending up in outright conflict with it.

The Johnson Gove comedy act is hopelessly out of touch with reality if it thinks they will be able to implement the mammoth task of re-establishing trade links with the rest of the world before we have reached the point of economic collapse. Johnson sees himself as some sort of modern day Winston Churchill, but he has none of his political substance but just lots of hot air. Michael Gove works for himself and for middle class England, courting the eco green Conservative middle class with no real understanding of agricultural matters. Its a disaster in waiting for British agriculture.

It really is time for somebody to get a grip and turn it around in the national interest before its too late.

Enough is enough. We have had 20 months to come up with a plan and so far there is absolutely nothing. of any credibility whatsoever or what gives me any hope that the Brexit will end in success.

If I was the Conservative Party I'd call a General Election on the sole issue of cancelling Brexit entirely and campaign for dear life to persuade the British people what they should have but failed to persuade them of during the referendum. If it destroys the Conservative Party then so be it. At least they would have gone down doing the honourable thing, fighting for the true best interests of all UK citizens.

For one thing this would reduce Mr Corbyn to the irrelevant opportunist that he truly is and send the DUP packing.

Utterly fed up of the whole omnishambles.

Don’t be so defeatist

 

[uztrac]

I shall continue to fight on,I voted leave and leave we have to. My country does NOT give up in the face of difficulities and obstacles. To sum it up " I still want my country back".

 

[MiJ]

Backbone needed. Our forefathers didn’t give up in WW2, ironic that they fought to prevent the tyranny that is now trying to abolish us again albeit by political means this time.

 

[RobFZS]

It's time to cancel the Brexit.

I personally invested a great deal of time, resource and energy in the Independence cause but can now see we are on a hiding to nothing or more likely a much worse situation than at present.

We are wasting government time flailing about trying to find a credible way forward and really there isn't one or it would have been found by now.

The risks in continuing with Brexit are huge for trade, for sparking of nationalist conflict, for the needless hindrance of people going about their everyday lives and work.

Its been tried. Its got this far. It has failed. Lets get over it and move on.

There isn't a workable way forward that wont cost billions, reintroduce terrible inefficiencies or trigger unnecessary conflict.

Sorry to say this, but I genuinely believe it. Yes I was wrong. Very wrong.

Yes it does make my teeth itch to see some of the worst excesses of EU rules and directives, the gravy trains of failed politicians ruling the roost and all those very good reasons to oppose the EU but to be fair its the best that can be made of a difficult job and we need to grin and bear it and try to sort it out from within rather than ending up in outright conflict with it.

The Johnson Gove comedy act is hopelessly out of touch with reality if it thinks they will be able to implement the mammoth task of re-establishing trade links with the rest of the world before we have reached the point of economic collapse. Johnson sees himself as some sort of modern day Winston Churchill, but he has none of his political substance but just lots of hot air. Michael Gove works for himself and for middle class England, courting the eco green Conservative middle class with no real understanding of agricultural matters. Its a disaster in waiting for British agriculture.

It really is time for somebody to get a grip and turn it around in the national interest before its too late.

Enough is enough. We have had 20 months to come up with a plan and so far there is absolutely nothing. of any credibility whatsoever or what gives me any hope that the Brexit will end in success.

If I was the Conservative Party I'd call a General Election on the sole issue of cancelling Brexit entirely and campaign for dear life to persuade the British people what they should have but failed to persuade them of during the referendum. If it destroys the Conservative Party then so be it. At least they would have gone down doing the honourable thing, fighting for the true best interests of all UK citizens.

For one thing this would reduce Mr Corbyn to the irrelevant opportunist that he truly is and send the DUP packing.

Utterly fed up of the whole omnishambles.

Ok, so then what?

The issue of Europe is solved for good when we're too thick to know what we signed up for and thus, escape from?

 

[Ashtree]

It's time to cancel the Brexit.

I personally invested a great deal of time, resource and energy in the Independence cause but can now see we are on a hiding to nothing or more likely a much worse situation than at present.

We are wasting government time flailing about trying to find a credible way forward and really there isn't one or it would have been found by now.

The risks in continuing with Brexit are huge for trade, for sparking of nationalist conflict, for the needless hindrance of people going about their everyday lives and work.

Its been tried. Its got this far. It has failed. Lets get over it and move on.

There isn't a workable way forward that wont cost billions, reintroduce terrible inefficiencies or trigger unnecessary conflict.

Sorry to say this, but I genuinely believe it. Yes I was wrong. Very wrong.

Yes it does make my teeth itch to see some of the worst excesses of EU rules and directives, the gravy trains of failed politicians ruling the roost and all those very good reasons to oppose the EU but to be fair its the best that can be made of a difficult job and we need to grin and bear it and try to sort it out from within rather than ending up in outright conflict with it.

The Johnson Gove comedy act is hopelessly out of touch with reality if it thinks they will be able to implement the mammoth task of re-establishing trade links with the rest of the world before we have reached the point of economic collapse. Johnson sees himself as some sort of modern day Winston Churchill, but he has none of his political substance but just lots of hot air. Michael Gove works for himself and for middle class England, courting the eco green Conservative middle class with no real understanding of agricultural matters. Its a disaster in waiting for British agriculture.

It really is time for somebody to get a grip and turn it around in the national interest before its too late.

Enough is enough. We have had 20 months to come up with a plan and so far there is absolutely nothing. of any credibility whatsoever or what gives me any hope that the Brexit will end in success.

If I was the Conservative Party I'd call a General Election on the sole issue of cancelling Brexit entirely and campaign for dear life to persuade the British people what they should have but failed to persuade them of during the referendum. If it destroys the Conservative Party then so be it. At least they would have gone down doing the honourable thing, fighting for the true best interests of all UK citizens.

For one thing this would reduce Mr Corbyn to the irrelevant opportunist that he truly is and send the DUP packing.

Utterly fed up of the whole omnishambles.

Relax man! Do you see the bearded man on the white steed, galloping purposefully from yonder horizon. Yes, difficult as it may be to imaging, or even accept, that there is your saviour from Brexit.
I give you the Right Honorable Member for Islington North, Jeremy Bernard Corbyn, MP and your next PM.
He has cooked up just the right recepie for the huge segment of the electorate who like you, are now utterly dismayed at the inevitable economic catastrophe which awaits at the bottom of the Brexit cliff.

But you are right. We are looking at the greatest omnisgambles since time began. Ahead of the Trump omnishambles by a nose I would say.

 

[Ashtree]

I shall continue to fight on,I voted leave and leave we have to. My country does NOT give up in the face of difficulities and obstacles. To sum it up " I still want my country back".

But, but, but , you heard from the PM’s own lips a few days ago!!!!
ECJ will continue to hold sway. Your treasury will still write cheques and send them to the unelected criminals in Brussels. Thick blood red lines of a few weeks ago are now thin, dotted, blurred broken pinkish lines. And that’s before negotiations in the next phase start.
Brexit is dead. It’s now about the arrangements for burial.

 

[DrWazzock]

Jeremy Corbyns version of Brexit is no more feasible than any other version. So he wants us to stay in the single market but without a seat on the committee that sets the rules for that market. That is worse than what we have now. Best to outmanouvre him and tackle the problem head on. Call it off. Balls of steel and brass neck needed.

 

[DrWazzock]

The truth is that the British people were sold a lie by the fruitcake right wing press. It's time to put that right.

On trade for example, does anybody have any idea how long it will take and how difficult it will be to set up new trading agreements with all the non EU countries we presently trade with using EU terms? It's mission impossible. People argue we could default to WTO rules. Well yes we could if we want to kill a lot our markets stone dead through imposition of punitive tariffs.

It takes more backbone to admit a mistake than it does to blunder on regardless, but I suppose that never stopped anyone.

20 months after Brexit and do we have a single trade deal set up with another non EU country? And there are literally thousands of different products and markets to deal with.

 

[DrWazzock]

My concern is that our government will collapse anyway given a few more weeks of non productive Brexit negotiations. Best have a plan really, otherwise it will be a Corbyn walkover and no sane person wants that.

 

[Ashtree]

My concern is that our government will collapse anyway given a few more weeks of non productive Brexit negotiations. Best have a plan really, otherwise it will be a Corbyn walkover and no sane person wants that.

But that’s the conundrum. The government WILL fall. There is no other possible outcome.
Whilst Corbyn may well be a fruit cake, he’s nothing at all compared to the fruitiest of all fruitcakes, Mogger and BoJo. These guys, each have an entire orchard of fruit keeping their ears apart. They are proverbial Christmas Puddings whilst Corbyn is a mere Fruit Scone.

Hang on for the ride man. It’s gonna be rough with Comrade Corbyn on the bridge!

 

[bobk]

My concern is that our government will collapse anyway given a few more weeks of non productive Brexit negotiations. Best have a plan really, otherwise it will be a Corbyn walkover and no sane person wants that.

Have to say I agree , the repercusions of these negotiations are mind boggling , the EU would rather slit their throats than give the UK a decent deal , and that's without the Irish sticking their oar in

 

[Jackov Altraids]

It's time to cancel the Brexit.

I personally invested a great deal of time, resource and energy in the Independence cause but can now see we are on a hiding to nothing or more likely a much worse situation than at present.

We are wasting government time flailing about trying to find a credible way forward and really there isn't one or it would have been found by now.

The risks in continuing with Brexit are huge for trade, for sparking of nationalist conflict, for the needless hindrance of people going about their everyday lives and work.

Its been tried. Its got this far. It has failed. Lets get over it and move on.

There isn't a workable way forward that wont cost billions, reintroduce terrible inefficiencies or trigger unnecessary conflict.

Sorry to say this, but I genuinely believe it. Yes I was wrong. Very wrong.

Yes it does make my teeth itch to see some of the worst excesses of EU rules and directives, the gravy trains of failed politicians ruling the roost and all those very good reasons to oppose the EU but to be fair its the best that can be made of a difficult job and we need to grin and bear it and try to sort it out from within rather than ending up in outright conflict with it.

The Johnson Gove comedy act is hopelessly out of touch with reality if it thinks they will be able to implement the mammoth task of re-establishing trade links with the rest of the world before we have reached the point of economic collapse. Johnson sees himself as some sort of modern day Winston Churchill, but he has none of his political substance but just lots of hot air. Michael Gove works for himself and for middle class England, courting the eco green Conservative middle class with no real understanding of agricultural matters. Its a disaster in waiting for British agriculture.

It really is time for somebody to get a grip and turn it around in the national interest before its too late.

Enough is enough. We have had 20 months to come up with a plan and so far there is absolutely nothing. of any credibility whatsoever or what gives me any hope that the Brexit will end in success.

If I was the Conservative Party I'd call a General Election on the sole issue of cancelling Brexit entirely and campaign for dear life to persuade the British people what they should have but failed to persuade them of during the referendum. If it destroys the Conservative Party then so be it. At least they would have gone down doing the honourable thing, fighting for the true best interests of all UK citizens.

For one thing this would reduce Mr Corbyn to the irrelevant opportunist that he truly is and send the DUP packing.

Utterly fed up of the whole omnishambles.

What you have done is swallow the continuous message from the media.
I think this largely caused by this rolling news age where they have to fill every minute of day and night trying to guess what might happen and how the fact that someone just farted changes anything.
20 years ago, we'd leave all the civil servants and politicians alone for however long it took before they came back with a pretty solid agreement to discuss.
Also, it is very much the policy of the EU to make the British and Northern Irish public to feel like that.
You couldn't organise a single issue general election and there are no certain choices to put on a referendum paper.
We leave.
The harder the Brexit, the better the deal will be. There is no point leaving if you are still signed up to everything, still paying in all the money and just losing your say. It's time to play hard ball. No deal and all the problems are the EU's.

 

[RobFZS]

We've had this thread before, you tell us all the issues, that you were too thick to understand the issues and got swayed by the media, then when asked for a solution, you just want to turn back time, it aint going to stick

I've wasted my time replying to you before, but like the deniers on twitter, you dont reply.

The trade deals, with good faith as part of close cooperation with the EU, can be continued.

If you had half a clue about trade, you would know global Tariffs are minimal, anyone that obsesses over tariffs in this debate knows very little about trade in General, None tariff barriers and the like are what cause the issues, issues of which are solved Via continuing the EEA agreement, joining EFTA to make use of their court for disputes and a comprehensive customs cooperation with the Eu.

Nothing dramatic ever happens in politics, the government wont collapse, a deal will be done and we wont notice the effects, what will happen if any policy made in the future will be thoroughly examined by Westminster in front of us all, rather than bunking it off to Brussels and it coming back without any clue as to what we've signed up to.

Or we could go your way, go begging back for our same opt outs, get hammered and be in a worse position than ever.

 

[wanton dwarf]

The truth is that the British people were sold a lie by the fruitcake right wing press. It's time to put that right.

On trade for example, does anybody have any idea how long it will take and how difficult it will be to set up new trading agreements with all the non EU countries we presently trade with using EU terms? It's mission impossible. People argue we could default to WTO rules. Well yes we could if we want to kill a lot our markets stone dead through imposition of punitive tariffs.

It takes more backbone to admit a mistake than it does to blunder on regardless, but I suppose that never stopped anyone.

20 months after Brexit and do we have a single trade deal set up with another non EU country? And there are literally thousands of different products and markets to deal with.

I made my decision based on my experience of EU regulation, HMG regulation and how both have affected jobs & services in my family, neighbours and area.

I made that decision about a decade ago with more and more evidence piling up.

In your worst case scenario you seem to think trade will end. We already trade with countries outside of the EU which include the USA & China. EU agricultural trade with China is taxed at 20%.

When we leave the EU the worst that can happen is goods coming from the EU are a bit more expensive and less people will buy those goods. Instead of buying expensive German cars some people will buy cheaper UK ones. Same goes for food.

Yes some will lose out but others will gain. Whatever happens if the majority don't like it they'll vote for something different come the general election.

You're selling a dead horse that doesn't exist.

 

[No wot]

You voted for it, you choke on it ,

 

[rob1]

If you didnt/dont like the EU now just wait and see how bad it gets if we get cold feet now,it would be a headlong rush to a united states of europe, grow a pair man TM needs to tell the eu we are leaving next March and to either start trade talks with honesty or we go WTO as has been said tariffs are the easy part, we have seen with such things as BSE and the like how easy it is to stop exports, that was when we were in the club, the difference is now we can fight back and of course they have more to lose on that front

 

[DrWazzock]

Have to say I agree , the repercusions of these negotiations are mind boggling , the EU would rather slit their throats than give the UK a decent deal , and that's without the Irish sticking their oar in

Nicely sums it up.

Some people need to get real. We will never get a better deal from the EU than the one we have as full members, so we can wave goodbye to anything better than we have now on that front. So all this work renegotiating just about everything will lead to a worse deal than the status quo. Therefore what's the point of continuing with the process. Some might say we will be able to negotiate better deals with non EU countries when we are independent but this will take years if it's even possible and seems a complete waste of time when already have these deals in place as negotiated by the EU which has much better bargaining power than we will ever have alone.

It's a farce now. Time to acknowledge it. It's no good shouting for something if you don't have a plan to take it forward. The two year transition is a joke. It will take more like a decade to sort the mess out and in the meantime chaos. Unecessary restrictions on financial transactions, labour shortages, on and on it goes, the mind boggles.

I don't think the Europeans are hostile or obstructive, they are just bemused and know our hearts aren't really in this.

Here we see the result of a disastrous experiment in populism.

 

[willy]

Yes I agree with rob I am more positive now about a hard brexit than any other time so far, they (EU especially ROI) are starting to realise that the trough they have been feeding from is going to be pretty empty when we leave and so are doing anything to make us change our mind.

At a frontier meeting the other day and wto rules for us would be beneficial for most cereals and at the end of the day we will be able to do deals that benefit us not all the hanger ons.

Don't worry let the EU do that. I think we are kicking the can down the road on purpose just to appease the remainers and make it look like we care about their super power.

 

[turbo]

Nicely sums it up.

Some people need to get real. We will never get a better deal from the EU than the one we have as full members, so we can wave goodbye to anything better than we have now on that front. So all this work renegotiating just about everything will lead to a worse deal than the status quo. Therefore what's the point of continuing with the process. Some might say we will be able to negotiate better deals with non EU countries when we are independent but this will take years if it's even possible and seems a complete waste of time when already have these deals in place as negotiated by the EU which has much better bargaining power than we will ever have alone.

It's a farce now. Time to acknowledge it. It's no good shouting for something if you don't have a plan to take it forward. The two year transition is a joke. It will take more like a decade to sort the mess out and in the meantime chaos. Unecessary restrictions on financial transactions, labour shortages, on and on it goes, the mind boggles.

I don't think the Europeans are hostile or obstructive, they are just bemused and know our hearts aren't really in this.

Here we see the result of a disastrous experiment in populism.

Get a grip man,the eu are trying to make as difficult as possible so noone else has the nerve to leave