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[czechmate]

Two possible explanations--they have a surplus and few want to live there. The people in the "Jungle" don't want to stay there and the farmers are always getting belligerent about something.

That slightly begs the question- how come, within a very small circle of where I farm I know dozens and dozens of ex pats farming (within a 15 mile radius - 6 even on this forum), whereas I didn't know a single Frenchman farming in the UK with my far greater circle of knowledge there? In fact, save an Irish outfit (Guinness) I didn't know any foreign farmers

 

[Muck Spreader]

Two possible explanations--they have a surplus and few want to live there. The people in the "Jungle" don't want to stay there and the farmers are always getting belligerent about something.

How many more times. The price of land in France is regulated by the state, principally to stop it becoming unaffordable for farmers and making sure there is a supply of land for new entrants.

 

[arcobob]

my my whats happening in ashys neck of the woods
http://theliberal.ie/co-clare-says-...o-place-115-asylum-seekers-in-the-small-town/

what happened to cead mille failte?

Oh dear. EU wielding the big stick and Paddy not happy

 

[rob1]

How many more times. The price of land in France is regulated by the state, principally to stop it becoming unaffordable for farmers and making sure there is a supply of land for new entrants.

Are there any restrictions on who can buy land, Are the french going off farming ?

 

[czechmate]

Are there any restrictions on who can buy land, Are the french going off farming ?

Livestock/mixed farming, I can't say that I can see in eigher England or France that the new generation are fighting to work 365 days/year!
Too well educated these days

 

[rob1]

Livestock/mixed farming, I can't say that I can see in eigher England or France that the new generation are fighting to work 365 days/year!
Too well educated these days

True but there is always a scrabble in the uk for land from existing farmers, I wondered why so many non french can buy land with what seems ease, could be just its cheaper if there are price controls, quite unlike the french to allow foreign influences to gain a hold

 

[Ashtree]

But, then, it would have to be, to achieve the objectives he publicly states, let alone what he'd really do if in power. Consoling really. Any historians our there care to remind us of the knock-on effects to the ROI's economy the last time the UK had a truly 'Socialist' government...?


In re' chips, there are references to chips in 17th Century British cook books.

Last time you had Karl Marx running the place, ROI was a pure agrarian economy, with effectively one customer.
Today, it’s a highly advanced, highly diversified economy which trades globally and still has very important agriculture sector.
Brexit or for that matter a nutter in No 10, would be a big problem for agriculture, beef in particular. The economy overall, would take a hit, slow down and recover.
The other immediate effect of a hard Brexit would be a massive influx of investment from Britain. Those companies wanting to carry on their frictionless trade with EU, would find Ireland the perfect bridgehead. Language, culture, distance, etc etc. Ask Land Rover!

 

[czechmate]

True but there is always a scrabble in the uk for land from existing farmers, I wondered why so many non french can buy land with what seems ease, could be just its cheaper if there are price controls, quite unlike the french to allow foreign influences to gain a hold

Well yes, the sales are "controlled" by the safer but if us Brits can outbid their powers are more than a little eroded

 

[arcobob]

Last time you had Karl Marx running the place, ROI was a pure agrarian economy, with effectively one customer.
Today, it’s a highly advanced, highly diversified economy which trades globally and still has very important agriculture sector.
Brexit or for that matter a nutter in No 10, would be a big problem for agriculture, beef in particular. The economy overall, would take a hit, slow down and recover.
The other immediate effect of a hard Brexit would be a massive influx of investment from Britain. Those companies wanting to carry on their frictionless trade with EU, would find Ireland the perfect bridgehead. Language, culture, distance, etc etc. Ask Land Rover!

What are you going to do when the EU unifies fiscal policy, including taxation, and refuses to stump up another 70bn Euro bailout? Its all on the agenda.

 

[rob1]

Last time you had Karl Marx running the place, ROI was a pure agrarian economy, with effectively one customer.
Today, it’s a highly advanced, highly diversified economy which trades globally and still has very important agriculture sector.
Brexit or for that matter a nutter in No 10, would be a big problem for agriculture, beef in particular. The economy overall, would take a hit, slow down and recover.
The other immediate effect of a hard Brexit would be a massive influx of investment from Britain. Those companies wanting to carry on their frictionless trade with EU, would find Ireland the perfect bridgehead. Language, culture, distance, etc etc. Ask Land Rover!

Once any tax advantage is taken away by your paymasters who the hell will base a business in Ireland? Weather is even worse than here and a very long ferry ride or only a few flights to your markets, why not move to france better weather and good transport links to the whole world,

 

[RobFZS]

Oh, he is. There’s no question about that.
But politics is the art of the possible. He can do nothing in opposition. The ONLY way he can get into No 10 is by chancing his arm on CU membership to protect jobs.
Once he is in, well then the Karl Marx comes out in him. It’s gonna be rough I imagine.

CU alone does nothing but neutralise tariffs, diverging from the SM and it's state aid rules will still lose jobs.

 

[RobFZS]

Vegan? You must be joking.

I honestly think that as farmers we have more in common with your average continental than with your average British citizen. Nobody bats an eyelid about hunting badgers on the continent. People there enjoy eating horses as I did. It's the British who kick up all the fuss about animal rights and general anti livestock farming nonsense. Rural folk are still valued and respected on the continent. Here we are looked down on and sneered at. All they want here are park keepers.

i find this hard to believe, the French are only allowed to spray at night as one example

Literally every profession in this country is looked down on and sneered at, everyone is simply a barsteward here, we only experience it more because it' 'our' profession.

 

[arcobob]

Well yes, the sales are "controlled" by the safer but if us Brits can outbid their powers are more than a little eroded

From what I could see while living(part time) in France the Common Agricultural Policy and its application was not quite as commonly applied as it should be.

 

[czechmate]

From what I could see while living(part time) in France the Common Agricultural Policy and its application was not quite as commonly applied as it should be.

I am not sure what you mean or where you were but it seems very commonly applied here. For those who look and of course it is always altering but the various entitlements are there to be seen, so you can see if you are being allocated the current regime.

 

[MiJ]

Oh dear. EU wielding the big stick and Paddy not happy

Enough anger could sort out the border problem nicely

 

[MiJ]

Livestock/mixed farming, I can't say that I can see in eigher England or France that the new generation are fighting to work 365 days/year!
Too well educated these days

And too well fed.

 

[czechmate]

And too well fed.

To be fair, I can't see much to recommend working every day, esp if their is a good alternative at say 200 days - such as a school teacher

 

[Muck Spreader]

True but there is always a scrabble in the uk for land from existing farmers, I wondered why so many non french can buy land with what seems ease, could be just its cheaper if there are price controls, quite unlike the french to allow foreign influences to gain a hold

It's relatively easy for non French to buy in less desirable areas as there is less competition/money. But buying land is also a bit like "tractor pulling" starts off easy but the more land you amass the more difficult they make it to acquire more. Hence when France put a limit on total subsidy payments, it only affected something like 30 big time farmers. However, the Chinese are now moving in on French land by using a loophole. This allows them to get a group of farms to agree to form a company which the Chinese then buy the majority holding . This can price the land up to 3 times the current market value.

 

[Muck Spreader]

i find this hard to believe, the French are only allowed to spray at night as one example

Literally every profession in this country is looked down on and sneered at, everyone is simply a barsteward here, we only experience it more because it' 'our' profession.

Night time spraying is only for some pesticides. And organic growers.

 

[will l]

It's relatively easy for non French to buy in less desirable areas as there is less competition/money. But buying land is also a bit like "tractor pulling" starts off easy but the more land you amass the more difficult they make it to acquire more. Hence when France put a limit on total subsidy payments, it only affected something like 30 big time farmers. However, the Chinese are now moving in on French land by using a loophole. This allows them to get a group of farms to agree to form a company which the Chinese then buy the majority holding . This can price the land up to 3 times the current market value.

They didnt pay that much,