Establishing AB15, AB1

[Grass And Grain]

Got AB15 legume fallow to establish, includes timothy in the seed mix (so can't use a graminicide).

Going in after winter barley.

Will the barley volunteers smother the AB15? So do I need a stale seedbed, any experience anyone?

Kit available. Simba discs, power harrow combi drill, rollers, slug pelleter on quad bike.

Best suggested method using my kit?

 

[teslacoils]

Green up. Spray off. Combi straight in then roll twice.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Green up. Spray off. Combi straight in then roll twice.

Or, power harrow, green up, spray off, broadcast with quad bike, roll?

Main question is, would clover/vetch struggle to compete with barley volunteers if I don't take them out first. Guessing barley would smother the AB15 by your suggestion.

Will 10th August sowing get good enough establishment by winter time. Vale of York.

 

[farenheit]

Or, power harrow, green up, spray off, broadcast with quad bike, roll?

Main question is, would clover/vetch struggle to compete with barley volunteers if I don't take them out first. Guessing barley would smother the AB15 by your suggestion.

Will 10th August sowing get good enough establishment by winter time. Vale of York.

How many barley volunteers are you realistically going to have by the 10th August?

Direct drill, mow hard in March and hope for clovers etc to compete?

 

[steveR]

Green up. Spray off. Combi straight in then roll twice.

Pity to cultivate at all, but keep the harrow at scratching depth. Hopefully the stale seedbed already established after spraying and creating a clean crop of barley, will not be too disturbed...

 

[steveR]

How many barley volunteers are you realistically going to have by the 10th August?

Direct drill, mow hard in March and hope for clovers etc to compete?

Depends on how much rain we get the next weekend..

 

[Grass And Grain]

How many barley volunteers are you realistically going to have by the 10th August?

Direct drill, mow hard in March and hope for clovers etc to compete?

It's not easy.

If I cultivate now, rain at weekend, hopegully quite a few volunteers by 10th August?

DD by contractor is another option. Or just thow on with quad bike before the rain might work, but don't want to risk wasting the seed

From experience, barley can out compete ryegrass ley in autumn, but then grass usually seems to dominate in spring. Worried ABA15 will be even less competitive.

Not out of the question to go in with mower mid August, and just do stripes behind the combine. Easier to spray off first?

It's easier growing rape!

 

[Grass And Grain]

Pity to cultivate at all, but keep the harrow at scratching depth. Hopefully the stale seedbed already established after spraying and creating a clean crop of barley, will not be too disturbed...

Don't fret, won't be sinking any cultivators in any deeper than an inch. Can't afford to burn too much diesel with stewardship payment rates!

 

[Grass And Grain]

Pity to cultivate at all, but keep the harrow at scratching depth. Hopefully the stale seedbed already established after spraying and creating a clean crop of barley, will not be too disturbed...

Suppose could always plough it. Would get rid of the volunteers . Might also get rid of the worms, the moisture AND a chunk of red diesel.

Plough, combi drill, roll, rain. Problem is, I'm not in control of the rain bit. So it could be plough, combi drill, roll, NO rain, failure.

 

[GeorgeK]

Clover seems extremely good at surviving intense competition, it's usually there in the bottom winding it's way up, waiting for an opportunity. Try to spray off a flush but if there's still too much barley after drilling leave it as late as you dare then top it.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Think there's a few options, including topping (maybe just the combine swaths) if necessary - which might get me out of trouble.

Come to think of it, I can get clover to establish when drilled with a grass ley. That said, grass doesn't grow away as quickly as barley volunteers.

Maybe I'm worrying too much. Just nervous about £2.5k of seed, don't want to mess it up!

Thanks for all the replies.

 

[steveR]

Think there's a few options, including topping (maybe just the combine swaths) if necessary - which might get me out of trouble.

Come to think of it, I can get clover to establish when drilled with a grass ley. That said, grass doesn't grow away as quickly as barley volunteers.

Maybe I'm worrying too much. Just nervous about £2.5k of seed, don't want to mess it up!

Thanks for all the replies.

Just getting my order sorted for Bird and Bee mix with my STW scheme. Happily, I do not need to follow the AB16 prescriptions on seed. Jeezus is it expensive this year, and in some cases, Bloody Expensive, this year.

Shopping around, I have a figure of between 80 and 220/ha for AB16 type seed mixes!! Kevin of @Great In Grass has a MUCH cheaper mix available, but only suitable for Spring sowings... The savings are such, that I may even not drill all the area this Autumn as intended (but not required!)

But my experience on all these stewardship type mixes is that they are fussy and prone to failure and/or being swamped by regrowth and weeds! I spent too much money on the Aitchison last year, but to be honest using it to DD into a clean stubble works for me.... most of the time!

 

[B R C]

Have some ab15 to go in before rain at weekend. Has been dtxed to mix straw and will be spring tined today. Will spreading seed in with 12m avadex spreader then rolling with breaker rings be ok? Sowing grass is not something I’ve done much of…

 

[steveR]

Have some ab15 to go in before rain at weekend. Has been dtxed to mix straw and will be spring tined today. Will spreading seed in with 12m avadex spreader then rolling with breaker rings be ok? Sowing grass is not something I’ve done much of…

 

[Pan mixer]

Have some ab15 to go in before rain at weekend. Has been dtxed to mix straw and will be spring tined today. Will spreading seed in with 12m avadex spreader then rolling with breaker rings be ok? Sowing grass is not something I’ve done much of…

Should be fine especially if the seedbed is fine and well rolled.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Have some ab15 to go in before rain at weekend. Has been dtxed to mix straw and will be spring tined today. Will spreading seed in with 12m avadex spreader then rolling with breaker rings be ok? Sowing grass is not something I’ve done much of…

Think my best take was cultivate a seedbed, broadcast, roll, just before a rain. That was on quite light or nice loam soil, then rained again few days later. Germinated well rolled into surface.

If had been heavier soil, with risk of germination in surface, then soil drying out, then I'd prefer driling.