Sparkymark
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Has anyone drilled Winter Wheat straight into Maize stubble using a combination drill? Or is it better to plough it over and start a fresh?
Establishing wheat after maize
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ollie989898
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You can get away with early anything behind maize but depends what weed burden is left and state of the field after harvest.
You dont need to plough, you could claydon it in direct or use a mintill cultivator first.
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
- Location
- Cornwall
dunno WTF a combination drill is, plant straight in with minimal disturbance
Power harrow with a drill on top.
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
why the f**k would you use that to plant into maize ?
come to that, why would you want any form of cultivation ? all it does is dry the ground out
Maize root systems are awesome for worms, biology & soil structure, why bugger it up ?
aren't they meant to be in the middle of a drought ?
how much diesel / ha would that use ?
anyone ever heard of moisture conservation ?
err, on second thoughts, probably not eh
go straight in with a minimal disturbance disc type machine, like the JD 750 that seems to be popular
Planting wheat straight into standing Sorghum stubble
- Location
- Cornwall
why the fudge would you use that to plant into maize ?
Maize root systems are awesome for worms, biology & soil structure, why bugger it up ?
aren't they meant to be in the middle of a drought ?
how much diesel / ha would that use ?
anyone ever heard of moisture conservation ?
err, on second thoughts, probably not eh
go straight in with a minimal disturbance disc type machine, like the JD 750 that seems to be popular
Planting wheat straight into standing Sorghum stubble
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Maize won’t be harvested till the autumn so depends on the prevailing weather at the time, soil type and how much of a mess they make harvesting it.
If it’s wet you can imagine what the result might be with tractors, trailers and a forager galloping about the place, so remedial action may well be needed to... “repair”... the soil structure.
If it’s dry and contractors use floatation tyres, which most do now I believe, then there’s the potential to go down a more minimalist route.
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
f**k, im glad I don't farm like that . . .
- Location
- Nottinghamshire, uk
We normally go through with a spring tine cultivator to remove any wheelings from the forager and around gate holes and then straight in with the vaderstad. Ideally it wants to be straight after harvesting as the land is dry underneath but can wet quickly at that time of year. We’ve had good results with belipi in this slot. Usually our best wheat after maize
- Location
- West Midlands
What about Fusarium?
ollie989898
Member
Fusarium is weather related as much as anything.
No slugs after maize so you can do what you like.
No slugs after maize so you can do what you like.
Mr Charisma
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- Location
- stratford on Avon
Just a internet photo but should give you some idea of conditions left in field after forage gang have left you ,,,,,,, perfect conditions for a no til drill ??????
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- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
I would be horrified if my soil looked like that
ollie989898
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Obviously in that scenario you do the only thing you can and leave it the fudge alone until spring.
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
yeah, ive used them in the UK
talk about destroying soil structure
let alone what its doing to the biology - worms, fungi, etc etc
Tompkins
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- Location
- NE Somerset
I can see maize harvest being very early this year and in good conditions so planting wheat after should be a piece of cake really. We will probably do a shallow cultivation to loosen the trailer wheelings then straight in with the Claydon. If we don't scratch over the wheelings the drill struggles with seed depth whereas if it's loose on top we can loosen the wheeling with the front tine without seeding too deep.
Of course now I've said this it will rain all of August and we will be ploughing and combi drilling into a wet pudding[emoji37]
Of course now I've said this it will rain all of August and we will be ploughing and combi drilling into a wet pudding[emoji37]
Which is why we do it.
Hence why those in dry climates developed one type of plough, while those in the damp developed the mouldboard plough.
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- NSW, Newstralya
we don't use any sort of plough now
when we did cultivate, we avoided doing it in wet conditions due to the MASSIVE damage it would do
we get floods & the plains can be under water for weeks or even months if a winter flood, would never occur to us to work ground to dry it out, just too damaging to structure & compaction . . .
I drilled into our maize stubble with the DTS last year, some straight in and some I shakeraerated first. The loosened stuff is more even, less wheelings showing, but I struggled with the trash. I suspect the sulky combination I've got now would drill but the PH would block up with stalks.