Estrumate

[Frank-the-Wool]

I've had one or two 'mis-alliance' estrumates not work. A second shot a month later is a better bet in those cases.


In your case, wanting them with the 'right' bull....not sure.
Just how much of a goat was the rig?

A proper Goat!!

 

[Samcowman]

A proper Goat!!

Always the way

 

[egbert]

A proper Goat!!

go on...let a few go to term. you might be surprised!

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

go on...let a few go to term. you might be surprised!

Its the Holstein side that I would probably get!!!!

 

[TlymarT_028]

Wouldn't risk jabbing them in this manner...been told by people in the fertility field of agriculture it's mostly a waste of time and money. If cattle aren't at the right point of their cycle a jab of estrumate or anything similar can cause them to go "cystic" (or basically not cycle properly afterwards) and cause more problems for fertility - been told anything around 50% is lucky.

If you want to be able to blind Ai or even have a group with strong standing heats in a certain time frame get a proper synch programme going with Cidr/Prids.

 

[egbert]

Its the Holstein side that I would probably get!!!!

ah.... I see.
On the bright side, milk prices are on the up??????

PS, read a very good retort in the yellow peril today. You?

 

[egbert]

Wouldn't risk jabbing them in this manner...been told by people in the fertility field of agriculture it's mostly a waste of time and money. If cattle aren't at the right point of their cycle a jab of estrumate or anything similar can cause them to go "cystic" (or basically not cycle properly afterwards) and cause more problems for fertility - been told anything around 50% is lucky.

If you want to be able to blind Ai or even have a group with strong standing heats in a certain time frame get a proper synch programme going with Cidr/Prids.

Sorry.... I've got the answer.
The OP could get Franks rig, and get the vet to vasectomise whatevers lurking therein.
Bingo! it doesn't look like a bull, can't get anything in calf, will show who needs the AI man day to day, and Frank would reluctantly part with it for just over killing - prior to snip.
result!

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

ah.... I see.
On the bright side, milk prices are on the up??????

PS, read a very good retort in the yellow peril today. You?

Yes

 

[RMSLLOYD]

Cidr and receptal day 0. Cidr out and estrumate day 7. Receptal day 9 pm. Ai 16 to 24 hours later. This will get them all served. Conception rate 50 to 70%. Keep the hormones in a cool place out of sunlight.

 

[puntabrava]

If say had 40 suckler cows and usually run a bull but bull no longer a option.
Could house cows for few days,estrumate them and tail paint them and have AI on speed dial for 2 to 4 days later
How successful would that be?

Looking at the cost of stores now and having done this before I would say buy another bull For 3k

 

[davidroberts30]

Looking at the cost of stores now and having done this before I would say buy another bull For 3k

Bull is not a option

 

[puntabrava]

Bull is not a option

Modern farming is confusing

 

[som farmer]

Bull is not a option

don't call it a bull, its gender neutral, or 'not sure', even a transsexual

 

[davidroberts30]

don't call it a bull, its gender neutral, or 'not sure', even a transsexual

Natural service is not a option

 

[som farmer]

Natural service is not a option

basically, your options boil down to very few, a full sync program, a cheaper sync program, getting 50-60% i/c, or putting i/c cows there. Not really sure if such a high rate of empty cows, in todays economics, is viable, could you put other classes of stock there. Or can you afford to lose the income, from those empty cows.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

don't call it a bull, its gender neutral, or 'not sure', even a transsexual

I think it is rather species-ist for us to presume what gender an animal identifies with, why is the cattle tracing service insisting I "assign" a gender for my calves at birth? I had a calf born yesterday, and to be honest, I am feeling a bit uncomfortable at being forced by legislation to assign a gender when I register it today!