EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them

[Deranged peasant]

Worth catching up on tweets between Barnier and Frost
In event of no deal EU has threatened to ban ag and food exports to them.
Would have effect of making food exports to NI from the rest of the U.K. illegal.
This looks to be part of what’s behind the move to change the treaty.

 

[Muddyroads]

They’re worse than kids in a play ground. Need to stop willy waving and get on with the job. No wonder youngsters often behave as they do when they see how politicians act.

 

[Highland Mule]

Worth catching up on tweets between Barnier and Frost
In event of no deal EU has threatened to ban ag and food exports to them.
Would have effect of making food exports to NI from the rest of the U.K. illegal.
This looks to be part of what’s behind the move to change the treaty.

Any links you can share? I’d be surprised if they were communicating openly and publicly about such things.

 

[Deranged peasant]

Sorry can’t do a link while out on tractor , it’s also on Westmonster on YouTube.

 

[milkloss]

So the Eu and uk signed the treaty that states that the U.K. is a sovereign nation and can write its own laws. So the eu is claiming we are changing a treaty we signed yet are not allowing us to change our own laws?

 

[Dry Rot]

UK hasn't gone back on any treaties with the EU yet, have we? Nobody plays poker any more? Europe stopping eating fish? It'll be a bluff, but don't tell the EU. Let's just declare war on 'em and have done with it.

 

[Highland Mule]

Sorry can’t do a link while out on tractor , it’s also on Westmonster on YouTube.

You are right, they have made it public. Poor show on both sides, I'd say, to wash dirty linen in public.

Barnier:

Protocol on IE/NI is not a threat to the integrity of the UK. We agreed this delicate compromise with
@BorisJohnson
& his gov in order to protect peace & stability on island of Ireland. We could not have been clearer about the consequences of #Brexit [1/2]

Sticking to facts is also essential. A case in point:

is not refusing to list

as a third country for food imports (SPS). To be listed, we need to know in full what a country’s rules are, incl. for imports. The same objective process applies to all listed countries [2/2]

Frost:

1/7 I would like to make a few comments and state a few facts, in my capacity as the PM's negotiator in the current and last autumn's talks.

2/7 On the Protocol, we indeed negotiated a careful balance in order to preserve peace and the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement. It is precisely to ensure this balance can be preserved in all circumstances that the Govt needs powers in reserve to avoid it being disrupted.

3/7 On 3rd country listings: the EU knows perfectly well all the details of our food standards rules because we are operating EU rules. The situation on 1.1.21 is accordingly perfectly clear. We have discussed this frequently with the EU including last week.

4/7 Any changes in future would be notified to the WTO and EU in the usual way with plenty of lead time. The EU lists dozens of countries globally on precisely this basis, without any sort of commitment about the future.

5/7 Yet it has been made clear to us in the current talks that there is no guarantee of listing us. I am afraid it has also been said to us explicitly in these talks that if we are not listed we will not be able to move food to Northern Ireland.

6/7 The EU's position is that listing is needed for Great Britain only, not Northern Ireland. So if GB were not listed, it would be automatically illegal for NI to import food products from GB.

7/7 I hope the EU will yet think better of this. It obviously makes it no easier to negotiate a good free trade agreement and the solid future relationship which we all want.

 

[Henarar]

UK hasn't gone back on any treaties with the EU yet, have we? Nobody plays poker any more? Europe stopping eating fish? It'll be a bluff, but don't tell the EU. Let's just declare war on 'em and have done with it.

Don't the Reich I mean EU normally do the war bit

 

[robs1]

So on 1st of Jan 2021 the EU claim they dont know our food production standards?
While it appears from face value Boris(or those whose job it was to check the small print) cocked up by agreeing to that clause in the WA , why the f**k are all these ex PM's siding with the EU over this especially Blair who sent hundreds of soldiers to their deaths on very dodgy evidence

 

[Highland Mule]

So on 1st of Jan 2021 the EU claim they dont know our food production standards?

Not just production - Barnier specifically mentions imports in his tweets. Given that I keep reading on here about chlorine washed chicken and hormone implanted beef cattle potentially coming in from elsewhere, I feel he has a point.

 

[robs1]

Not just production - Barnier specifically mentions imports in his tweets. Given that I keep reading on here about chlorine washed chicken and hormone implanted beef cattle potentially coming in from elsewhere, I feel he has a point.

But have we agreed to either ? NO so on the 1st of Jan its irrelevant, common sense has left the building, it's as plain as day the EU wants us to suffer for having the nerve to leave, sounds a bit like the ussr

 

[Highland Mule]

But have we agreed to either ? NO so on the 1st of Jan its irrelevant, common sense has left the building, it's as plain as day the EU wants us to suffer for having the nerve to leave, sounds a bit like the ussr

Interesting choice of words. I'd turn that around and say that many in the UK want to maintain the benefits of membership without being a member.

And no, I don't believe we have agreed to either, which is somewhat disappointing given how easy a deal we were promised it was going to be - both the one with the EU and to the rest of the world.

 

[matthew]

@Highland Mule mentioned in his post (above) 3/7:

3/7 On 3rd country listings: the EU knows perfectly well all the details of our food standards rules because we are operating EU rules. The situation on 1.1.21 is accordingly perfectly clear. We have discussed this frequently with the EU including last week.

The rules of the EU (which we will leave on Dec 31st. ) state that anyone wanting to trade with member states of the EU must apply for 'third country lisiting' in order to do that.

It is not enough to have regulatory compliance with EU standards.

That application has not yet been made (afaik), and if it is not made, then on January 1st 2021 no goods can pass the Border Inspection Posts into the EU.

'Dems the rules, and that is the paperwork and box ticking which must be done if we want to trade with the EU after 31.12.20. And that is why the NI border with the Republic was / is such a sticking point.

 

[Danllan]

I guess we'll just have to stop importing EU goods, cars, wine etc., it will be pretty hard but we just might be able to find alternative sources...

Hang on! Japan makes good cars, and Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and Chile make good wine, so does the US, problem solved! Maybe other countries outside the EU sell other things too, and maybe they'll let us buy them, with money...

Phew, was almost sweating there for a... moment.

 

[Highland Mule]

I guess we'll just have to stop importing EU goods, cars, wine etc., it will be pretty hard but we just might be able to find alternative sources...

Hang on! Japan makes good cars, and Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and Chile make good wine, so does the US, problem solved! Maybe other countries outside the EU sell other things too, and maybe they'll let us buy them, with money...

Phew, was almost sweating there for a... moment.

Don’t think anyone has ever denied that we have choices for supply. You’d better get your mates to sort out all those trade agreements though - we will need them very soon.

 

[TechWise]

I guess we'll just have to stop importing EU goods, cars, wine etc., it will be pretty hard but we just might be able to find alternative sources...

Hang on! Japan makes good cars, and Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and Chile make good wine, so does the US, problem solved! Maybe other countries outside the EU sell other things too, and maybe they'll let us buy them, with money...

Phew, was almost sweating there for a... moment.

Agreed. I don't understand why some people are so adamant that leaving the EU is the same as cutting ourselves off from the rest of the world and becoming North Korea.

Last time I checked, Australia was not part of the EU and they don't seem to be going around on horse and cart so I wonder where they get their cars from?

 

[Muck Spreader]

I guess we'll just have to stop importing EU goods, cars, wine etc., it will be pretty hard but we just might be able to find alternative sources...

Hang on! Japan makes good cars, and Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and Chile make good wine, so does the US, problem solved! Maybe other countries outside the EU sell other things too, and maybe they'll let us buy them, with money...

Phew, was almost sweating there for a... moment.

Unfortunately the UK hasn't got any trade deals with them either.

 

[thesilentone]

John Major, the man that signed the Maastricht Treaty which tied us into all the EU social issues and free movement, anyone remember the public consultation ?

Tony Blair, the man that took our Country to war, which was illegal, and based on false information.

David Cameron, the man who got the President of the USA to spout we would go to the back of the queue for a trade deal to strengthen his pro-EU position.

Gordon Brown, the man who bankrupt the Country.

All very credible souls, all telling us we should allow the EU to dictate where our Borders are ? I don't think so.....

86% of World Trade is outside the EU.

 

[robs1]

Unfortunately the UK hasn't got any trade deals with them either.

Dont need trade deals to.buy stuff and it's looking quite likely we wont get a deal done by jan, so look out eu food producers. Can see the streets of France burning if farmers there suddenly lose their markets.

 

[GeorgeK]

All I want to know is do I still have to pay my taxes? I would only be breaking the law in a 'limited and specific way' which I wouldn't deem 'unacceptable', so must be OK