EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them

[ollie989898]

Where have I stated that the WTO is meaningless? Of course dozens of countries are signed up to it, including the one I live in, it is a way of trading as a last resort, most countries prefer to trade with a more advantageous arrangement, preferable with a FTA.

I may live in upside down land, but to believe that trading on WTO terms puts you at anything other than a disadvantage over your competitors with FTAs is pure fairy land. The maths is simple, if you are selling into a country and have a 10% tariff applied you either have to take less for your goods to compete or try to convince the purchaser that your goods are worth more, why do you find this so difficult to understand?

Yes the UK is a large consumer market and those countries that have consumer goods to sell will happily do a trade deal, as seen with the recent deal with Japan, they are selling you high value Toyotas and Nissans etc in return you can export some mouldy cheese, from memory the figures were £13bn in Japans favour. The hard deals to do are those that give the UK a positive trade balance and they are the deals you need.

The UK has a big trading deficit with a lot of countries. In particular the EU and this has widened every year the UK has been a member.

What is your point, exactly?

 

[ollie989898]

The boss of Southampton container port is on record as saying less the 2 % of imports from any country in the world are checked. Ships can carry upwards of 19,000 containers, the biggest ones obviously come from further than the EU, do you honestly think they look in many, have you never watched programmes showing the ships being unloaded and reloaded, even 2% of one of those ships is 380 containers, how long to check even one container?
Of course we ALL know the French will play silly nuggets on the 1st of Jan, well at least until their lunch time, when they get the Bill's for all these custom officers the French will soon kick off when they realise they are footing the bill

This stuff doesn't get checked. It doesn't. It physically cannot be. It's entirely intelligence led.

 

[stewart]

The boss of Southampton container port is on record as saying less the 2 % of imports from any country in the world are checked. Ships can carry upwards of 19,000 containers, the biggest ones obviously come from further than the EU, do you honestly think they look in many, have you never watched programmes showing the ships being unloaded and reloaded, even 2% of one of those ships is 380 containers, how long to check even one container?
Of course we ALL know the French will play silly nuggets on the 1st of Jan, well at least until their lunch time, when they get the Bill's for all these custom officers the French will soon kick off when they realise they are footing the bill

2% of imports will have a physical check, all containers and imports will however have to have a customs clearance to be allowed into the country. This may only be paperwork exercise, there is however a cost to it.

 

[yin ewe]

Good attitude.
Shame the others don't seem to agree. Your lot will be blaming the EU till whenever.

We've had decades of regulation and apparently needless red tape being blamed on EU bureaucrats, time for our own useless politicians to get on with running our own country and stop blaming the EU.

 

[le bon paysan]

We've had decades of regulation and apparently needless red tape being blamed on EU bureaucrats, time for our own useless politicians to get on with running our own country and stop blaming the EU.

I won't hold my breath!

 

[robs1]

2% of imports will have a physical check, all containers and imports will however have to have a customs clearance to be allowed into the country. This may only be paperwork exercise, there is however a cost to it.

There is already a paperwork exercise now it's called VAT, it is generated by computer and is often fraudulent, no doubt there will be a bedding adjustment then all the fuss will be forgotten, the media will move onto the next looming disaster and the remoaners will go very quiet just like they did over all the day after the vote predictions. Will some lose out, yes as in any change, but long term I believe more will benefit and we wont be in the united states of europe

 

[Ashtree]

It’s interesting if entirely unsurprisingly to look at UK outward and inward investment, post referendum compared to pre referendum.

Brexit has chilling effect on UK inward investment

FT analysis finds number of jobs created since EU referendum has fallen by 19 per cent

www.ft.com

http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit13.pdf

 

[stewart]

The UK has a big trading deficit with a lot of countries. In particular the EU and this has widened every year the UK has been a member.

What is your point, exactly?

There are 450 million customers in the EU compared to 65 million in the UK, if there is a trading deficit with the larger block then there appears to be a problem with the UKs export ability.
I thought the point was quite clear, going with WTO rules is not advantageous if you are trying to increase exports, you have to have FTAs, these are not easy to obtain unless you are prepared to give something away, for example mouldy cheese for cars.

 

[ollie989898]

There are 450 million customers in the EU compared to 65 million in the UK, if there is a trading deficit with the larger block then there appears to be a problem with the UKs export ability.
I thought the point was quite clear, going with WTO rules is not advantageous if you are trying to increase exports, you have to have FTAs, these are not easy to obtain unless you are prepared to give something away, for example mouldy cheese for cars.

I am not interested in the size of the EU- it is not a country.

I don't care about the size of relative populations either.

WTO rules are agreed, signed and sealed by a myriad of parties, if they were useless no one would have adopted them.

Now, for the final time. I will repeat- the UK consumer market is a big deal (I know you anti-UK sorts don't like that fact but it still stands) and it represents a very big cherry for a lot of countries looking to sell into it. The UK government has stated (again, I am getting bored of writing this) that it will offer a real-deal, free trade agreement with any and all interested parties who are up for it. This is not just for Europe, it was aimed at a far wider reach than that. Until now, a lot of countries were effectively barred from competing and selling into the UK market because European businesses had favoured terms to get in here. That will now no longer be the case because suddenly everyone has a chance to negotiate for those favourable terms, not just European countries.

The fact is, the UK's mouldy cheese (as you so eloquently put it) is quite popular around the world. Even the non-mouldy stuff I have seen on the shelves in far flung places. A lot of these cheese are actually far more expensive, lb for lb than the finest steaks. The UK does have an appetite for foreign cars, that so many Japanese cars are sold here I view as a good thing given how readily the Germans and French were allowed into the place under EU rules. However, the UK builds cars too. I have seen acre after acre of the things parked at Avonmouth waiting to be put on a ship.

The worm is turning and the UK will no longer be part of the EU's little club. There will be businesses who win from that outcome and there will be businesses who lose from it. Given the state of the global car industry I'd say Brexit was the least of their worries- it is highly likely that a number of French and German makers will disappear in a cloud of smoke and become a badge exercise in time, such is life unfortunately.

You argue tooth and nail for global trade but fail to recognise the EU is not about free trade. It's about a group of nations circling their wagons in a protectionist circle jerk and it has cost the average European citizen (and consumer) billions.

 

[TelesnaAg]

Nukes highly ineffective?

Ok, so you would prefer the West had none and that Iran and North Korea did?

Come off it. Nuclear weapons are so effective you don't ever need to use them.

Oh well good luck in using them against the EU, Australia and nz when we flood you with lamb, and china....

You can sell yr stuff to iran and nth korea.

Ant...

 

[yin ewe]

Oh well good luck in using them against the EU, Australia and nz when we flood you with lamb, and china....

You can sell yr stuff to iran and nth korea.

Ant...

Does the EU, Australia and NZ have tons of lamb sitting idle in cold stores with no market?

 

[Ukjay]

Well why haven't you?
Thats the point!
Is a U turn coming?
Do YOU trust BoJo?

Hmm, I wouldn't say they haven't started personally, as it is not just people standing in the docks / on border control we are talking about. I'm also not sure you actually need the physical numbers that the scare stories would have us believe either.
We are forgetting that the intention is to also combine / utilise the skills already here and operational, as simple papershuffling in offices is not around much today, no more so than it was say 10 years ago, it is completed digitally, and remotely from being physically at the borders / ports.

It is here, that if set up correctly; would not need as many people to look at a screen to ensure the documents are in order as it would force you to complete the documentation complete and in full, so where do you draw the line, i'm not sure - but I know technology can do a lot of what France will more than likely be using people for... so who is right or wrong when you consider what actually gets physically checked..

Very few shipments are checked vs volume coming and going (containers / vehicles etc), contrary to what some people may believe. They are simply let through on the basis of the paperwork being correct and the goods are what they are claimed to be, and that is the same for every country, as it is physically impossible to check every single container / package / vehicle moving..
So what difference is it going to be if we cannot physically check everything in January 2021, nothing, just more unnecessary spin stories for individuals twisted enjoyment...

Now, the ones that are checked are via integrated awareness of certain concerns, via shared / known intelligence and via random selection, so yes, it will be open to the same level of abuse as it is today, but being hopeful, we should be able to improve upon the current state to reduce the purposely ignored, sorry I mean "missed" questionable loads coming into the UK
Also, lets not forget that a lot of problems arise through lazy arsed companies / people not ensuring their documents are in order prior to shipping and leaving it to the last minute, which I personally would impose higher levies to force them to wake up and not allow this mantra to continue as it is today.
More handling time equals more fees to cover costs, and it should be covered by the incompetant businesses, or there goods get locked down until cleared.

As for trust, sadly; I cannot say I put much trust in many on this planet wholeheartedly, yourself included, because lets face it - you (and a lot of others), are doing nothing but basically slag off the UK, the current government (even though I personally feel no Government could do any better, after the people voted to leave the EU unless they simply ignored the vote), and basically continue to attack anyone who simply refuse to be cohersed into following your line of thought.

There is no need for all the angst and negativity being caused in this - but some here are relishing the distress they are putting onto others who do not align with their own viewpoints, through nothing more than they hope they will be proven correct for their own self rigtheous gratification, that the UK fails completely, whereby many others are saying and being ignored - there will be a headache to overcome, but it does not therefore constitue a failure in the long term.
We are in unchartered territory here following the evolution of laziness that has been created, and it is going to be a bumpy ride for sure - but imho, we should not simply write ourseleves off without even knowing how it is going to end, and moreso; we shouldn't continue all this childish name calling and insinuations that everyone who does not follow your (and others views) are uneducated idiots...

YMMV...

 

[Ukjay]

It’s interesting if entirely unsurprisingly to look at UK outward and inward investment, post referendum compared to pre referendum.

Brexit has chilling effect on UK inward investment

FT analysis finds number of jobs created since EU referendum has fallen by 19 per cent

www.ft.com

http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit13.pdf

But there is a obvious benefit to your relentless negativity.

If there is lower investment and we end up the alleged poorer relative, we will appear less attractive to the ones wishing to get an easy life and screw the benefit system, thus lowering the burden upon our country..

The EU then becomes the far more favoured and lucrative place to stay, so all the false asylm seekers etc will wish to stay there... Win Win when they were telling us it is the right thing to do..

 

[ollie989898]

Oh well good luck in using them against the EU, Australia and nz when we flood you with lamb, and china....

You can sell yr stuff to iran and nth korea.

Ant...

What are you on about Ant?

What is stopping Australia and NZ selling us lamb at the moment? Not much that I can see?

 

[stevieg]

But there is a obvious benefit to your relentless negativity.

If there is lower investment and we end up the alleged poorer relative, we will appear less attractive to the ones wishing to get an easy life and screw the benefit system, thus lowering the burden upon our country..

The EU then becomes the far more favoured and lucrative place to stay, so all the false asylm seekers etc will wish to stay there... Win Win when they were telling us it is the right thing to do..

Yeah.
let’s tank our economy so Johnny Foreigner won’t want to come here. Now we’re in
La la land

 

[Ukjay]

Yeah.
let’s tank our economy so Johnny Foreigner won’t want to come here. Now we’re in
La la land

So again, you solely focus on negatives. I just highlighted a potential positive out of some promted negativity and you resort immediately to what I stated above without hesitation.... I rest my case...

 

[will l]

The boss of Southampton container port is on record as saying less the 2 % of imports from any country in the world are checked. Ships can carry upwards of 19,000 containers, the biggest ones obviously come from further than the EU, do you honestly think they look in many, have you never watched programmes showing the ships being unloaded and reloaded, even 2% of one of those ships is 380 containers, how long to check even one container?
Of course we ALL know the French will play silly nuggets on the 1st of Jan, well at least until their lunch time, when they get the Bill's for all these custom officers the French will soon kick off when they realise they are footing the bill

They're already employing , and training, more customs officers.
Your unemployed are rising in number and costing money.
Businesses here are seeing opportunities in your inability to trade. There will be winners and losers on both sides.
% wise the UK is on a loser.

All the customs officers and checks in the world wont stop the fishermen blockading every port if the fishng quota is taken off them.

 

[robs1]

All the customs officers and checks in the world wont stop the fishermen blockading every port if the fishng quota is taken off them.

That's true but who will that annoy more EU importers or exporters of perishable goods ?
It's about time the grown ups got involved instead of playing politics

 

[Henarar]

All the customs officers and checks in the world wont stop the fishermen blockading every port if the fishng quota is taken off them.

Well they won't have feck all else to do

 

[manhill]

Right, now the channel ports are blocked, there are no airlines available to carry freight and walking on water hasn't been approved by hse yet, what necessities are we going to miss?