EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them

[Farmer1001]

I didn't write that you had answered, merely that you had shared your preferred narrative.

And, anyway, a bit rich coming from someone who claimed to know what was worth listening to before he'd heard it...

F all to do with my narrative or preferred answer. The question was simple, given that 43% of our total exports got to the EU “who is currently more dependant, those selling or those buying?” The answer doesn’t suit your narrative hence you dance around it.

 

[Farmer1001]

The EU is not a trading bloc, it's a political union dressed up as one. It isn't even one of free trade, either, despite the beliefs of arch-remainers.

The UK government has stated it will consider a genuine free trade arrangement with any interested parties. That is a landmark move by a G7 nation however you try to paint it and it should be applauded. Negotiating such an arrangement isn't that difficult and indeed WTO rules are designed to facilitate that.

I couldn't give a damn what the EU choose to do, I just find it highly amusing that they are behaving with such petulance and the first thing they can think of to threaten us with is a fudging food embargo? Really?! It's petty and ridiculous.

I am in general in favour of free trade, the EU has never yet had such an arrangement, maybe one day they will, I won't hold my breath though.

Ollie the free trade you desire where it’s a complete free for all for people to buy anything they want without restriction or rules exists absolutely nowhere on the planet, and there’s a reason for it. But re the EU, move on, for us they are now a trading bloc we can either deal with or not, we are free to make that decision. But this insistence the EU are somehow trying to ban food imports is bs, we have simply failed to take the appropriate action required to be a third country - we, not them, we.

 

[Muck Spreader]

As been said on here by many of the arch leavers - if the EU was a trading bloc then we would have been happy to stay, so let’s concentrate on making that trade deal rather than chucking baby out with the bath water.

One of the problems is Leavers back in the day didn't like the EEC either, due to it's the lack of rules governing things like state aid, unfair working practices, mutual recognition of standards etc. which they though was disadvantaging UK industry. So Thatcher drove forward the concept of a European single market to change this and unsurprisingly the ruddy Leavers didn't like that either because this was now infringing on their mystical UK sovereignty. Basically they would just like to go back to the 19th century international rule book, which stated whoever had the biggest navy set all the trading rules.

 

[Danllan]

F all to do with my narrative or preferred answer. The question was simple, given that 43% of our total exports got to the EU “who is currently more dependant, those selling or those buying?” The answer doesn’t suit your narrative hence you dance around it.

And, in so-writing, your answer - which we knew all along - is shouted out loud and clear. No dancing around here, just collecting information which is often easier to do obliquely than directly - you give yourself away too often.

Bit, I am glad you've given the accurate figure for exports, many seem to believe - or to want to believe, and to have others believe - it to be a half or more, but it is 43% and diminishing.

You avoid acknowledging the fact that there are huge swathes of industry within the EU's vassals that are very, in some cases nearly entirely, dependent upon British buyers. And you also keep seeming to imply (a favourite trick of some EUrophiles) that the '43%' of trade is going to vanish or reduce to nothing in the event of a no deal - that's a ridiculous proposition, even Mrs Merkel has said as much. If I have misinterpreted you, and you really think that the possible fall in trade is nothing like 43%, I apologise.

Care to tell us what you think is the real amount by which our trade with the EU will diminish in the event of a no deal, worst case? I have seen a number of figures, some wildly optimistic - even from my Brexit-supporting perspective - and some manifestly absurd in their pessimism - but I've drawn my own conclusions; it'll be interesting to see if our figures are close.

One of the problems is Leavers back in the day didn't like the EEC either, due to it's the lack of rules governing things like state aid, unfair working practices, mutual recognition of standards etc. which they though was disadvantaging UK industry. So Thatcher drove forward the concept of a European single market to change this and unsurprisingly the ruddy Leavers didn't like that either because this was now infringing on their mystical UK sovereignty. Basically they would just like to go back to the 19th century international rule book, which stated whoever had the biggest navy set all the trading rules.

How are the EU's plans going for its own defence forces and why do you think they want them? I guess sovereignty must seem 'mystical', from within...

 

[thesilentone]

I think we are missing the Elephant in the room, the NHS. Our almost affordable health service, the envy of the World. Very few (if any) of our EU friends offers a completely free health service. However as we were constantly being consumed into the federal state, the NHS was becoming an International Health Service (some may say still is) for all and sundry, at the UK taxpayers expense. Long-term membership of the EU meant this would need to change, and a political hot potato if ever their was one.

As per the EU defense idea, why do you need it, if you're long-term objective is to maintain Political autonomy, which with this, the EU is doomed to failure.

 

[Muck Spreader]

How are the EU's plans going for its own defence forces and why do you think they want them?

What's that got to do with the current situation and who cares, it's of little relevance atm.

 

[ollie989898]

Ollie the free trade you desire where it’s a complete free for all for people to buy anything they want without restriction or rules exists absolutely nowhere on the planet, and there’s a reason for it. But re the EU, move on, for us they are now a trading bloc we can either deal with or not, we are free to make that decision. But this insistence the EU are somehow trying to ban food imports is bs, we have simply failed to take the appropriate action required to be a third country - we, not them, we.

That is not true. The UK government has stated they will offer free trade terms to anyone who is willing to reciprocate. I have lost count of the number of agreements the UK has already entered into.

 

[wanton dwarf]

F all to do with my narrative or preferred answer. The question was simple, given that 43% of our total exports got to the EU “who is currently more dependant, those selling or those buying?” The answer doesn’t suit your narrative hence you dance around it.

If UK wants to leave the EU does it matter what %age of exports go to the EU or not ?

The relationship is dead and gets dead-er by the second .. I was indifferent to the EU 4+ years ago but now I practically despise them and the Remainers attempting to ursurp democracy.

Don't pretend there is some "Winning" point in this relationship. The situation is fast coming where the EU will be seen as an enemy - at the moment I see no reason why the UK is in NATO at all.

 

[Danllan]

What's that got to do with the current situation and who cares, it's of little relevance atm.

You posted, as a dig, of those wanting to posture through use of having sizable military assets; you claim the EU to be a benign organisation, yet it seeks to have military power, you raised the subject...

But, what should we expect, you take your lead from your masters in Brussels, the ones who cry out about 'international law being broken', but having done so themselves as it suits. Hypocrisy, plain hypocrisy.

 

[wanton dwarf]

you take your lead from your masters in Brussels

I think Brussels is a bit weak - after all that's just a mask - the real power behind the EU is Germany & France. All the rest just say how high when either says jump.

 

[Cowabunga]

That is not true. The UK government has stated they will offer free trade terms to anyone who is willing to reciprocate. I have lost count of the number of agreements the UK has already entered into.

As of the 11th Sept 2020, the UK has trade deals signed covering only 8% of the trade based on 2018 figures

 

[TelesnaAg]

To buy their stuff...

(But you know that already, you just don't like it)

Not the only country in the world with money....

How much gold and iron u got....hmm i see why they looking around.

Ant....

 

[Ashtree]

And any such new trade deals, aren’t in fact new! Just cut and paste of the UK bit of the existing EU deals. Not incremental business.
The biggest and most important agreement thus far is with Japan! This one has already been shown to be a backward step for UK. More importantly it kills off any delusions that Brexiteers might have, that using state aid in future, as a way to support the post Brexit economy, is or can in any way be acceptable to future potential trade partners.
Then to crown it all, the stupid solo run on the internal trade bill, with respect to NI has put the entire world on high alert with respect to future deals with the UK!
This past ten days, have I dare say been quite a watershed and rude awakening with respect to Brexit and it’s real world aftermath.

 

[Danllan]

Not the only country in the world with money....

How much gold and iron u got....hmm i see why they looking around.

Ant....

First rule of trade is: money's money. Do us a favour and write a list of the countries who don't / won't want to sell to us...

It seems Oz businesses and Gov't are all for more trade, to help with the balance.

United Kingdom country brief | DFAT

United Kingdom country brief The United Kingdom is one of our most like-minded partners in the world.

www.dfat.gov.au

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[Danllan]

And any such new trade deals, aren’t in fact new! Just cut and paste of the UK bit of the existing EU deals. Not incremental business.
The biggest and most important agreement thus far is with Japan! This one has already been shown to be a backward step for UK. More importantly it kills off any delusions that Brexiteers might have, that using state aid in future, as a way to support the post Brexit economy, is or can in any way be acceptable to future potential trade partners.
Then to crown it all, the stupid solo run on the internal trade bill, with respect to NI has put the entire world on high alert with respect to future deals with the UK!
This past ten days, have I dare say been quite a watershed and rude awakening with respect to Brexit and it’s real world aftermath.

So, tell us - if you have the nerve - by how much will a worst-case no-deal WTO trade scenario hit the UK? Come on, give us a figure, please. I'm discussing this with someone else - @runny egg - and you are welcome to join in. But I doubt you will, because the worst-case from all the EUrophiles who want to remain credible, isn't anything like what you lie about and try to pretend. Give us a figure, go on, so we can see if you are serious, if you have any idea what you are on about, rather than just the hyperbolic idiot you seem.

 

[Henarar]

One of the problems is Leavers back in the day didn't like the EEC either, due to it's the lack of rules governing things like state aid, unfair working practices, mutual recognition of standards etc. which they though was disadvantaging UK industry. So Thatcher drove forward the concept of a European single market to change this and unsurprisingly the ruddy Leavers didn't like that either because this was now infringing on their mystical UK sovereignty. Basically they would just like to go back to the 19th century international rule book, which stated whoever had the biggest navy set all the trading rules.

Didn't Mrs T say she would not have signed Maastricht

 

[Henarar]

And any such new trade deals, aren’t in fact new! Just cut and paste of the UK bit of the existing EU deals. Not incremental business.

And if your EU is so fecking wonderful and has done such wonderful fecking deals what is wrong with that ?
or are your saying that the UK's bit of existing EU deals isn't worth a flying feck ?
tis one or tuther make your bloody mind up

 

[Muck Spreader]

Didn't Mrs T say she would not have signed Maastricht

She was opposed to the Maastricht treaty due its growing influence in UK domestic affairs and the euro, but nothing really to do with the single market

 

[Ashtree]

So, tell us - if you have the nerve - by how much will a worst-case no-deal WTO trade scenario hit the UK? Come on, give us a figure, please. I'm discussing this with someone else - @runny egg - and you are welcome to join in. But I doubt you will, because the worst-case from all the EUrophiles who want to remain credible, isn't anything like what you lie about and try to pretend. Give us a figure, go on, so we can see if you are serious, if you have any idea what you are on about, rather than just the hyperbolic idiot you seem.

You haven’t read or understood my posts on ND!
I’m convinced that ND simply will not happen!
I base my belief on simple observations of the facts before me.
1. EU hasn’t buckled and constituent countries haven’t divided, as predicted and hoped for by UK.
2. Collectively and individually, member countries have shown and delivered remarkable belief, that the large single market, is in fact a deep resource both economically and politically. Each country including the big units Germany / France etc, know that collective bargaining power now mote than ever is NECESSARY, to hold sway with USA and China in particular.
3. Technical preparations (IT, physically customs infrastructure, etc,.) in EU are by all accounts hugely ahead of equivalent in UK. In other words, UK hasn’t demonstrated either the capacity or willingness to make the requisite physical preparations.
4. The internal market bill fiasco, has drastically weakened UK’s hand, trust and credibility as a trusted trade partner for other countries.
5. The outsized Irish American influence in Congress and American politics in general, will undoubtably lock up a UK USA trade deal, if UK continues with this nonsense of breaking international law!
6. Whilst inter country cracks failed to materialise in EU, the same cannot be said for UK. ND and a messy aftermath, will have grave consequences for Boris short term, and for the Union long term.
7. Boris as PM, has thus far shown himself to be weak and dithering. Worse still and because of his own inadequacies and insecurities and malign influence of Cummings, he has surrounded himself with even weaker cabinet ministers. Disastrous management right from the get go.
8. Boris talks big, but U turns bigger!

Me! I never believed the UK would walk with a no deal.
I am now with just a few months to go, absolutely convinced it won’t walk with no deal. The “wins” they will get from EU, to cover the embarrassment won’t amount to much I expect. Initially, Boris gang will talk it up to the stars. But the BBC will do its public service duty, and show it up for what it is.

You! You will probably continue to defend the indefensible as you have the internal trade bill, and the initial pandemic management fiasco, and the general u turning of Boris, and the walkabouts of Cummings, and so on and so forth .....

 

[Ashtree]

That is not true. The UK government has stated they will offer free trade terms to anyone who is willing to reciprocate. I have lost count of the number of agreements the UK has already entered into.

Quite! Like the one offered to Japan.
Then of course the Japanese said, let’s take what EU already negotiated on your behalf, and let’s add some extra conditions. Cars being one and state aid being another!
You fail to grasp, that when you stand on a soap box exclaiming to the world “free trade for anybody who wants one”, immediately the big guys smell weakness and a need on UK side for a deal.
Clearly as with Japan, the “free” part of the deal, isn’t the part UK ends up with!