EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Again, I think you best read what I have written again.

The UK does not do large amounts of customs checks on freight: no country in the world does. The reason being that the volume of international freight worldwide is so huge it is basically impossible to do. It's intelligence led.

They may not currently do them, but it's going to. The very fact they are having to build 12 new Border force customs areas to carry them out would indicate that. And from the HMG documentation:

  • From July 2021: Traders moving all goods will have to make declarations at the point of importation and pay relevant tariffs. Full Safety and Security declarations will be required, while for SPS commodities there will be an increase in physical checks and the taking of samples: checks for animals, plants and their products will now take place at GB Border Control Posts.
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
That's true but who will that annoy more EU importers or exporters of perishable goods ?
It's about time the grown ups got involved instead of playing politics
The French and Spanish always did like a good blockade. They will only shoot themselves and everyone else in the foot at the same time as usual.
 
They may not currently do them, but it's going to. The very fact they are having to build 12 new Border force customs areas to carry them out would indicate that. And from the HMG documentation:

  • From July 2021: Traders moving all goods will have to make declarations at the point of importation and pay relevant tariffs. Full Safety and Security declarations will be required, while for SPS commodities there will be an increase in physical checks and the taking of samples: checks for animals, plants and their products will now take place at GB Border Control Posts.

This strikes me as a paper chase only. As I said, the physical inspection of the majority of international freight is virtually impossible without using scanning type technology. I don't actually see the need for these checks given that the UK I presume is happy to continue importing product from the EU if their standards continue to be maintained, and we have been importing stuff from elsewhere in the world for years. I don't see how magically leaving the EU would change the latter scenario one bit.
 
Boris going to build build build and invest in tech economy....dont see farming anywhere in there?

How will the infrastructure make money?

Ant...

Same way the UK always has. Innovating and selling stuff or services people want. There is no rule book that says the UK must be a major player in the international lamb or pork world. Other countries don't get that involved in world commodity production, they do other things. It's down to economics. You surely agree that governments have no business interfering in private enterprise or commercial marketplaces?
 
Boris going to build build build and invest in tech economy....dont see farming anywhere in there?

How will the infrastructure make money?

Ant...


Infrastructure uses commodities and labour locally - so money directly gets invested. Those working require resources - food, fuel, clothing, shops, places to sleep, cars MOT'd, equipment serviced, electricians etc. New small businesses will be created to service the construction population and future maintenance. People will move to the area - more housing - becomes compound and then spin-offs.

Farms can capitalise locally by providing commercial rent, parking, food etc - in the worst case new housing on farming land (Some of course will be consumed by new roads etc)

New service stations for road, rail & air will be self sufficient. As will the schools, doctors etc that cater for the new workers.

Seen it in my own area over the past 35 years - all happened since new motorway - might be a new railway soon via HS2 - new airport/rail hub locally as well. Itterative investment, also having a massive commercial estate being built locally creating 6,000+ new jobs. And that's just near my village/town .. lots going on in other towns in the area, such as new Amazon warehouse, HS2 servicing/maintenance yard, opening an old canal. lots of new housing estates ..
 

Ashtree

Member
Infrastructure uses commodities and labour locally - so money directly gets invested. Those working require resources - food, fuel, clothing, shops, places to sleep, cars MOT'd, equipment serviced, electricians etc. New small businesses will be created to service the construction population and future maintenance. People will move to the area - more housing - becomes compound and then spin-offs.

Farms can capitalise locally by providing commercial rent, parking, food etc - in the worst case new housing on farming land (Some of course will be consumed by new roads etc)

New service stations for road, rail & air will be self sufficient. As will the schools, doctors etc that cater for the new workers.

Seen it in my own area over the past 35 years - all happened since new motorway - might be a new railway soon via HS2 - new airport/rail hub locally as well. Itterative investment, also having a massive commercial estate being built locally creating 6,000+ new jobs. And that's just near my village/town .. lots going on in other towns in the area, such as new Amazon warehouse, HS2 servicing/maintenance yard, opening an old canal. lots of new housing estates ..

Fantastic that it has been so successful in your area over the past 35 years as you point out. Being in the EU all those years, doesn’t seem to have hampered things. That’s nice .... as Mrs. Brown would say!!
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
Fantastic that it has been so successful in your area over the past 35 years as you point out. Being in the EU all those years, doesn’t seem to have hampered things. That’s nice .... as Mrs. Brown would say!!
You have deliberately missed the point as usual. Uk levy paid to the EU is largely distributed for infrastructure projects in other countries like yours. Now you will have to find another sucker or stump up for your own projects to a greater extent.
 

robs1

Member
Fantastic that it has been so successful in your area over the past 35 years as you point out. Being in the EU all those years, doesn’t seem to have hampered things. That’s nice .... as Mrs. Brown would say!!
Only one difference to Ireland, the EU paid for all your new infrastructure as indicated by all the signs, the UK tax payer paid for ours and as now you keep saying you are a net payer into the EU you wont get that investment
 

JimAndy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Only one difference to Ireland, the EU paid for all your new infrastructure as indicated by all the signs, the UK tax payer paid for ours and as now you keep saying you are a net payer into the EU you wont get that investment

last time i was in the southwest of england. or traveling thu Scotland or Wales all i saw was "project funded by EU" signs at all the major infrastructure.

also don't forget that while the EU may have paid. and the infrastructure is in different countries. BRITISH firms made huge profits out of the contracts to build the infrastructure

and speaking of infrastructure, can't wait for Boris to build this.
 

Ashtree

Member
Only one difference to Ireland, the EU paid for all your new infrastructure as indicated by all the signs, the UK tax payer paid for ours and as now you keep saying you are a net payer into the EU you wont get that investment

Rubbish. Rubbish. Rubbish. EU part funded projects all over EU. Massive EU investment in NI.
 

Ashtree

Member
last time i was in the southwest of england. or traveling thu Scotland or Wales all i saw was "project funded by EU" signs at all the major infrastructure.

also don't forget that while the EU may have paid. and the infrastructure is in different countries. BRITISH firms made huge profits out of the contracts to build the infrastructure

and speaking of infrastructure, can't wait for Boris to build this.

Spot on! BIG British companies deeply involved in EU part funded projects ALL OVER EU!
 

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