Eu trade deal.

[Danllan]

Well, it comes over quite obviously; a big change since the morning yourself and forage trader were comparing notes of tears of joy

Not at all, I'm still delighted we are out of the EU and have every confidence that the UK will prosper. I will admit to being heartily p!ssed off that HMG, past and present, have wasted so much time with Mr Barnier.

I don't see how explaining why and how UK fishermen were screwed by EC lies would lead you to think otherwise, perhaps it's your default europhilia...

 

[czechmate]

Not at all, I'm still delighted we are out of the EU and have every confidence that the UK will prosper. I will admit to being heartily p!ssed off that HMG, past and present, have wasted so much time with Mr Barnier.

I don't see how explaining why and how UK fishermen were screwed by EC lies would lead you to think otherwise, perhaps it's your default europhilia...

Sorry, I’ve added « tone » to my post

 

[Grandad Pig]

Not at all, I'm still delighted we are out of the EU and have every confidence that the UK will prosper. I will admit to being heartily p!ssed off that HMG, past and present, have wasted so much time with Mr Barnier.

I don't see how explaining why and how UK fishermen were screwed by EC lies would lead you to think otherwise, perhaps it's your default europhilia...

I know I am going to regret this but please supply some evidence of your accusation re. EU “Lies”. Actual instances when the different parts of the EU have been demonstrably shown to “lie” to the British.

To show fairness and balance perhaps I could find an equal number of examples of Brexit lies, shouldn’t be to hard. The red bus for a start.

 

[uztrac]

Different perspective if you are retired with a life filled with shooting and hunting I suppose

An accurate comment,but I also endeavor to earn a crust to support my lifestyle!!!!

 

[Ashtree]

One does really have to laugh, when one reads on here from leading Brexitologists, that the EU doesn’t WANT a deal with the UK!!
Was it not an utterly foundational argument for Brexit in the first instance, that a deal with the EU would be “the easiest deal in history”?? Was it not foundational, that the EU would have no other option, but do sign a deal, and do so quickly and at the utmost favourable terms to the UK?? Was it not foundational, that Germany in particular, but also France would simply swat aside the other members of the EU, in their hurry to protect their own domestic economies?? Wasn’t it one catch phrase / dog whistle above all others, “they need us more than we need them”, which defined the putative benefits of Brexit, for the ordinary “pleb” in the street?
I’m minded when I read this stuff of the famous line from Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar, “beware the ides of March”.
Beware I beseech thee all, of TFF’s very own resident “revisionists”, for their version of events, seek only to deny reality and reckoning!

 

[Headless chicken]

I know I am going to regret this but please supply some evidence of your accusation re. EU “Lies”. Actual instances when the different parts of the EU have been demonstrably shown to “lie” to the British.

To show fairness and balance perhaps I could find an equal number of examples of Brexit lies, shouldn’t be to hard. The red bus for a start.

i believe but maybe wrong that the bus said we could give x to the nhs not we will.

 

[Danllan]

I know I am going to regret this but please supply some evidence of your accusation re. EU “Lies”. Actual instances when the different parts of the EU have been demonstrably shown to “lie” to the British.

To show fairness and balance perhaps I could find an equal number of examples of Brexit lies, shouldn’t be to hard. The red bus for a start.

Read up on the history of UK accession to the then EC, condition of membership and the commitments made to British fishermen at that time. Then scoot forward to UK membership and the sudden change in EC CFP. If you don't draw the conclusion that the UK fishing fleet was right-royally screwed, please explain why.

 

[gone]

Not at all, I'm still delighted we are out of the EU and have every confidence that the UK will prosper. I will admit to being heartily p!ssed off that HMG, past and present, have wasted so much time with Mr Barnier.

I don't see how explaining why and how UK fishermen were screwed by EC lies would lead you to think otherwise, perhaps it's your default europhilia...

The UK projected borrowings don't look like those of a "prospering" economy.
Below is a conservative graph of the borrowing required to fund the UK economy for the next 5 years, these figures should scare British people, because they are scary. They look very similar to the Irish figures from 2007/11.
If the international money markets turn, these figures don't work.
If interest rates rise, these figures don't work
If the global economy sneezes, these figures don't work.
I hope you optimism is well founded and everything goes well for the UK

 

[bobk]

Rumours they have entered the tunnel .......

Brexit: Hopes on both sides as the Brexit deal enters the tunnel

Report from the Times Radio Tom Newton Dunn of the Times Radio reports: UK-EU trade deal talks have, at long last, entered the mythical tunnel. Michel Barnier

www.forexlive.com

 

[Danllan]

...I hope you optimism is well founded and everything goes well for the UK

Thanks for that, greatly appreciated. As for the rest, I'm not worried, the size of the economy is such that we can absorb it. Some decent government - - and a bit of will-power and we'll be fine. Wasn't too long ago that the ROI was an economic basket-case, some tell us that it's extremely rich now...

 

[tepapa]

The UK projected borrowings don't look like those of a "prospering" economy.
Below is a conservative graph of the borrowing required to fund the UK economy for the next 5 years, these figures should scare British people, because they are scary. They look very similar to the Irish figures from 2007/11.
If the international money markets turn, these figures don't work.
If interest rates rise, these figures don't work
If the global economy sneezes, these figures don't work.
I hope you optimism is well founded and everything goes well for the UK
View attachment 924487

But that shows what wrong with the country.

People need food, shelter and health.

Are any of those things a priority for the population or government? Health maybe with covid.
Every one is worried about trade deals and what I phone to get for Xmas.
Maybe priorities are wrong. Spending money we haven't got on stuff we don't need.

 

[Two Tone]

Share a thought for Michel Barnier, once it is all done and dusted, whatever the outcome.
Who on earth is he going to argue with then?

For some reason, this scene comes to mind:

 

[steveR]

One does really have to laugh, when one reads on here from leading Brexitologists, that the EU doesn’t WANT a deal with the UK!!
Was it not an utterly foundational argument for Brexit in the first instance, that a deal with the EU would be “the easiest deal in history”?? Was it not foundational, that the EU would have no other option, but do sign a deal, and do so quickly and at the utmost favourable terms to the UK?? Was it not foundational, that Germany in particular, but also France would simply swat aside the other members of the EU, in their hurry to protect their own domestic economies?? Wasn’t it one catch phrase / dog whistle above all others, “they need us more than we need them”, which defined the putative benefits of Brexit, for the ordinary “pleb” in the street?
I’m minded when I read this stuff of the famous line from Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar, “beware the ides of March”.
Beware I beseech thee all, of TFF’s very own resident “revisionists”, for their version of events, seek only to deny reality and reckoning!

Wonderfully put, thank you.

 

[lloyd]

HMG is certainly making a good start at re-energising and subsidising the ag sector already. Johnny Foreigner won’t know what’s hit him.

It is laughable when some attack British farming contribution to the economy as only 0.6% when it also supports the manufacturing Industry which is 17% of UK GDP and plays a sizeable part in the 214 billion pounds contributed through tourism and travel. Neilo keep up the good work of maintaining a countryside that the public love, which is most of the reason why holiday makers like coming back year on year (especially Wales).
British farmers do not need good life hobbyists belittling the hard work done and simultaneously damaging our Industry whilst pretending they have a genuine love of the UK countryside.

 

[steveR]

The UK projected borrowings don't look like those of a "prospering" economy.
Below is a conservative graph of the borrowing required to fund the UK economy for the next 5 years, these figures should scare British people, because they are scary. They look very similar to the Irish figures from 2007/11.
If the international money markets turn, these figures don't work.
If interest rates rise, these figures don't work
If the global economy sneezes, these figures don't work.
I hope you optimism is well founded and everything goes well for the UK

Would not wish that on the population or economy... Tough times fro Ireland and the fall out can still be seen today.

 

[steveR]

Rumours they have entered the tunnel .......

Brexit: Hopes on both sides as the Brexit deal enters the tunnel

Report from the Times Radio Tom Newton Dunn of the Times Radio reports: UK-EU trade deal talks have, at long last, entered the mythical tunnel. Michel Barnier

www.forexlive.com

Hope they don't get lost in the bloody dark then....

 

[Treg]

Rumour from local market is the EU was put in the Ring but they couldn't find any buyers

 

[Ashtree]

Rumours they have entered the tunnel .......

Brexit: Hopes on both sides as the Brexit deal enters the tunnel

Report from the Times Radio Tom Newton Dunn of the Times Radio reports: UK-EU trade deal talks have, at long last, entered the mythical tunnel. Michel Barnier

www.forexlive.com

I have long been warning all you “believers” on TFF, of the impending Boris “U Turn”, on ND.
But hey, I never did expect him to pull such a U Turn in a tunnel. Really, really reckless driving!
But, Boris will no doubt emerge from the other end, into the bright new BRINO landscape, declaring victory for her majesty!
TFF’s very own house revisionists, will no doubt pour a very generous dollop of Brexit Revisionism, over the very soggy, tepid, half baked Brexit which will be served up! Nothing like a dodgy sauce to put a bit of taste on a bitter pie. Eh!!

 

[steveR]

I have long been warning all you “believers” on TFF, of the impending Boris “U Turn”, on ND.
But hey, I never did expect him to pull such a U Turn in a tunnel. Really, really reckless driving!
But, Boris will no doubt emerge from the other end, into the bright new BRINO landscape, declaring victory for her majesty!
TFF’s very own house revisionists, will no doubt pour a very generous dollop of Brexit Revisionism, over the very soggy, tepid, half baked Brexit which will be served up! Nothing like a dodgy sauce to put a bit of taste on a bitter pie. Eh!!

Too many metaphors in that soup!!

 

[ollie989898]

The UK projected borrowings don't look like those of a "prospering" economy.
Below is a conservative graph of the borrowing required to fund the UK economy for the next 5 years, these figures should scare British people, because they are scary. They look very similar to the Irish figures from 2007/11.
If the international money markets turn, these figures don't work.
If interest rates rise, these figures don't work
If the global economy sneezes, these figures don't work.
I hope you optimism is well founded and everything goes well for the UK
View attachment 924487

And why, pray tell, do you think there is a huge increase in predicted spending in the coming years?