EU vaccine role out.

Charlie Gill

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Kent
19 and 20 their mother is recovering from stage 4 inoperable cancer which is why she and i were vaccinated something we probably would n’t have done normally. As for them passing it to anyone else if you are in a vulnerable group you should get vaccinated if not it’s your choice.
Yeah, a lot of people are having it for others. It's good.

Give your wife a hug from some stranger on the Internet (y)
 

Mouser

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Location
near Belfast
you may be not vulnerable at the minute to it but the thing with kids and older people not getting the vaccine is there is a large part of the population that covid can infect and mutate in and could become more dangerous to everyone as for the vaccine not be tested they got the same testing as eny other vaccine just in a shorter time as money was no object
No long term testing though. I'm not anti vax in the slightest but this is new vaccine and in some cases new vaccine technology(mrna)that has been tried and failed before.
In my opinion under 45ish shouldn't be taking it unless vulnerable to severe illness. Vaccine should be shared round the world for over 50s before even considering young healthy people here.
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
I do reckon it killed my Dad. I have taken it because my wife is immunosuppressed but i don’t think my kids need it. Not because it contains mind altering dna but because they are fit and healthy and we don’t believe in imaginary ( long) Covid.
I have a relative with long covid. Female mid 50's had covid in the first wave. Sits in a darkened room all day with ear defenders on as she is now super sensitive to light and sound. Before this she was a real go getter always doing things, running her own business making ceramics. Form what I heard the other day things a slowly getting better and she has been able to hold brief conversations for the last couple of months, but pretty short yet exhausting for her.
 

essex man

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Location
colchester
No long term testing though. I'm not anti vax in the slightest but this is new vaccine and in some cases new vaccine technology(mrna)that has been tried and failed before.
In my opinion under 45ish shouldn't be taking it unless vulnerable to severe illness. Vaccine should be shared round the world for over 50s before even considering young healthy people here.
None of them are traditional type vaccines containing dead or attentuated virus.
These new drugs program the body to produce the spike protein.
The amounts produced vary widely, this variation is poorly understood and excess protein causes serious side effects.
Standard vaccine side effects from immune response are also seen.
Long term effects are obvsly not studied yet.
 
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Devon
I have a relative with long covid. Female mid 50's had covid in the first wave. Sits in a darkened room all day with ear defenders on as she is now super sensitive to light and sound. Before this she was a real go getter always doing things, running her own business making ceramics. Form what I heard the other day things a slowly getting better and she has been able to hold brief conversations for the last couple of months, but pretty short yet exhausting for her.

There is NO such thing as long covid!

Just like there is NO such thing as long flu!

Yet i had a very severe bout of flu in 2000 to the point i could not even climb the stairs on my hands and knees for several days and could not climb into a tractor cab for over 2 weeks i was that bad, it took me 18 months to fully recover yet not once was it called long flu by my doctors!
 

Cheesehead

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Kent
Antivaxxers are generally classed as nutters who believe the vaccine the government is giving them will contain all kinds of things to control them rather than sensible young people who realise they don’t need to take the vaccine because Covid will have little or no affect on them and all the vulnerable have been vaccinated.

I would be wary of the young not needing it as young and healthy doesn't guarantee immunity and leaves a large groups to spread it is one of the reason why measles have killed adult where a child has brought it home.

Not like cancer at all, when you've got cancer, you've got cancer. When you have a positive covid test, it's about 50/50 whether you have covid or not never mind if it killed you.
Yes it's a disease, yes it kills people, yes it requires some restrictions. Does it require mass vaccination of under 30s with an unproven vaccine? No fu cking chance.

Actually during the autopsy neither symptoms nor when a positive test was taken gains little notice given that they look to other signs it is why my godfather who died of a massive heart attack while suffering from troubled breathing his cause of death was marked down as Heart attack brought on by occupational COPD. As for cancer not exactly the greatest comparison but cancer just meaning cancer is not completely correct as often it is things like pneumonia and infections that actually finish you off as it was that killed our neighbour and my grandfather.

As stated in the video viruses rarely cause the actual death it is the pneumonia, hemorrhaging etc that ultimately kills you.

As for unproven vaccine they are one of the most tested and closely monitored vaccines so I am unsure what you mean by unproven?

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n352
No long term testing though. I'm not anti vax in the slightest but this is new vaccine and in some cases new vaccine technology(mrna)that has been tried and failed before.
In my opinion under 45ish shouldn't be taking it unless vulnerable to severe illness. Vaccine should be shared round the world for over 50s before even considering young healthy people here.

mRNA may be new in the case of vaccines but it is old tech in terms of synthesised insulin where it has been used to create artificial insulin for diabetics leaving them better protected as they don't rely on insulin harvested from pigs or cadavers. Though I do agree the vaccines should be shared with other countries before vaccinating under 16s but with pressure from teaching unions etc I don't see that unfortunately happening.
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
L
There is NO such thing as long covid!

Just like there is NO such thing as long flu!

Yet i had a very severe bout of flu in 2000 to the point i could not even climb the stairs on my hands and knees for several days and could not climb into a tractor cab for over 2 weeks i was that bad, it took me 18 months to fully recover yet not once was it called long flu by my doctors!
It is not flu.
It has properly crippled her for over a year and forced her to sit in a dark room wearing ear defenders for 15 months. That’s not something anyone would choose to do and definitely not someone like her. She isn't having a jolly and using it as an excuse to lay about, it has destroyed who she was.
 
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Devon
L

It is not flu. It has properly crippled her for over a year and forced her to sit in a dark room for over a year wearing ear defenders. That’s not something anyone would choose to do, she’s not having a jolly and using it as an excuse to lay about, it’s destroyed who she was.

Both Flu and Covid is a virus from the same family.

And most years Flu has killed far more people than Covid has done so in the UK.

She may well still be suffering from the after affects of the Covid virus but that can and does happen with ANY virus and no other Virus is called : Long Flu etc like Covid is called long Covid!

The Term : Long covid is a control method/scare tactic to get people to comply with the Governments rules/ regulations in regards Covid lockdowns!

Your mate needs to turn off the news/ radio/ Social media in the first instance for her road to recovery!
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
Both Flu and Covid is a virus from the same family.

And most years Flu has killed far more people than Covid has done so in the UK.

She may well still be suffering from the after affects of the Covid virus but that can and does happen with ANY virus and no other Virus is called : Long Flu etc like Covid is called long Covid!

The Term : Long covid is a control method/scare tactic to get people to comply with the Governments rules/ regulations in regards Covid lockdowns!

Your mate needs to turn off the news/ radio/ Social media in the first instance for her road to recovery!
My “mate” hasn’t listened to the news/radio/social media because (as you don’t seem to be able to grasp) she is sitting in a dark room (because she can not cope with much visual stimuli anymore),with ear defenders on (because she can cope with audio stimulation anymore). And just for your information this all started before anyone mention long covid in the news as she caught covid in the first wave.
 
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Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
I have a relative with long covid. Female mid 50's had covid in the first wave. Sits in a darkened room all day with ear defenders on as she is now super sensitive to light and sound. Before this she was a real go getter always doing things, running her own business making ceramics. Form what I heard the other day things a slowly getting better and she has been able to hold brief conversations for the last couple of months, but pretty short yet exhausting for her.
I know someone who was a couple of years above my kids at school who had meningitis who has a similar thing after recovery . We took a couple of dogs off them as she couldn't deal with any noise. However I do not believe long covid is anything like as bad or as prevalent as we are led to believe. Modern society as a whole unfortunately isn't very tough and can be easily prodded and pushed down a path that has been chosen for them by others. It's easy to be rude about people and this isn't meant to be personal but some people have lost limbs in machinery and walked for help with the lost bit whilst other people don't get out of bed with a sore toe. In your relatives case it's probably very extreme but I am sure there are many others who are playing a 'long covid' game because it's acceptable.
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
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Rutland
I know someone who was a couple of years above my kids at school who had meningitis who has a similar thing after recovery . We took a couple of dogs off them as she couldn't deal with any noise. However I do not believe long covid is anything like as bad or as prevalent as we are led to believe. Modern society as a whole unfortunately isn't very tough and can be easily prodded and pushed down a path that has been chosen for them by others. It's easy to be rude about people and this isn't meant to be personal but some people have lost limbs in machinery and walked for help with the lost bit whilst other people don't get out of bed with a sore toe. In your relatives case it's probably very extreme but I am sure there are many others who are playing a 'long covid' game because it's acceptable.
There is no doubt long covid is over reported in the news, as that is exactly how the media works. Bad news sells.
Also, as you say, we will all know some people who seem to be unstoppable machines and others who look for any reason to say they are ill.
However, neither of those facts mean that long covid doesn’t exist.
 

Charlie Gill

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Location
Kent
Hi, not blase Bob. Just that it is about time we moved on. Some of us will die with or through Covid, Such is life, such is death. But society cannot carry on with this. Serious it may well be. But so is what we are doing. Hey ho.
Your wish is Boris' command. Voluntary masks, no more social distancing, no check-in and no domestic passport. Come on England!

 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
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Dartmoor
For purely political reasons the government having over promised seem to have decided to risk everything by letting the virus spread almost uncontrolled, whilst the majority of us having been vaccinated twice will be fine for now, with the inevitable explosion of cases which will happen all of the EU will now likely suffer the same fate.
As they have not double vaccinated as many of their population as the UK any higher death rates will inevitably be blamed on the UK badly souring our future relations.
What people fail to realise is that if any young employee tests positive the business has to close down for a while, you then deep clean & open until the next young employee gets it etc etc, we are now entering a stage when the country rather than opening up further will possibly simply grind to a halt.
 

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