EU vaccine role out.

[manhill]

This is far from amusing - delays in vaccination will cause more deaths, either here or in the EU.
It has the potential to get very nasty very quickly as countries get desperate for supplies

If there are going to be more deaths because of this, better not to be in our country.

UK first!
Our surplus can go to needy 3rd world countries.

 

[Ashtree]

If there are going to be more deaths because of this, better not to be in our country.

UK first!
Our surplus can go to needy 3rd world countries.

But, but, the EU IS a needy third world country according to article 3, section 4.5.1.1, sub section4.6.1.4.4, of the Brexit articles of association.

 

[Danllan]

Have the EU authorised the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine yet? I don't think they had at the beginning of this week despite all the furore. And yet they have accused AZ of diverting 'their' vaccine to sell elsewhere, which is a bit odd when AZ is making and distributing the vaccine at cost for the duration of the pandemic.

The EU are trying to make AstraZeneca the scapegoat for their own inadequacy. I'd be willing to put money on the AZ contract with the EU being watertight, allowing for unforeseen hiccups in production and distribution during a pandemic. Maybe AZ should publish the contract and expose the EU's typical foot-stampy bullying for what it is?

There is a non-disclosure clause but, if both parties agree to it, there could be disclosure. However, from what the French boss of AZ has said it does indeed seem watertight, AZ being required to make its 'best effort' rather than having an absolute obligation to supply. That may not sound very different to a layman but, in legal terms, it makes an enormous difference and provided AZ have not been remiss or reckless, they are on safe ground.

I'll be particularly interested to know which Jurisdiction the contract is bound to.

 

[Muck Spreader]

There is a non-disclosure clause but, if both parties agree to it, there could be disclosure. However, from what the French boss of AZ has said it does indeed seem watertight, AZ being required to make its 'best effort' rather than having an absolute obligation to supply. That may not sound very different to a layman but, in legal terms, it makes an enormous difference and provided AZ have not been remiss or reckless, they are on safe ground.

I'll be particularly interested to know which Jurisdiction the contract is bound to.

If you want to wade though this EU contract for a different Corona Vaccine, it may give a clue as to what's in the AZ one.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/curevac_-_redacted_advance_purchase_agreement_0.pdf

 

[bobk]

If you want to wade though this EU contract for a different Corona Vaccine, it may give a clue as to what's in the AZ one.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/curevac_-_redacted_advance_purchase_agreement_0.pdf

67 pages , says it all .

 

[Martin Holden]

There is a non-disclosure clause but, if both parties agree to it, there could be disclosure. However, from what the French boss of AZ has said it does indeed seem watertight, AZ being required to make its 'best effort' rather than having an absolute obligation to supply. That may not sound very different to a layman but, in legal terms, it makes an enormous difference and provided AZ have not been remiss or reckless, they are on safe ground.

I'll be particularly interested to know which Jurisdiction the contract is bound to.

That's a good question! I studied business law at Uni many moons ago and decided the law can be fickle in terms of interpretation. Who'd have thought that a trade war in month 1 of having fully left the EU would be about vaccine? I hope EU politicians calm down and not pick on any small issue that arises otherwise I see some very challenging times ahead for the UK and the EU!

 

[JCMaloney]

We approved the AZ jab 3 months before the EU with lots of hard graft and pen pushers cracking on.
The EU have to get the same agreement across 27 countries.
They have yet to fully approve said vaccine.

We started volume production first, and that wasn`t without issues of supply and the like, the same problems that have hit the European AZ operation.
The contract the UK signed is active, operating and being met by the supplier.
The EU`s contract is neither active, operating or meeting the Ts & Cs - yet.

They are 10-12 weeks behind us which isn`t our "fault".

 

[uztrac]

We approved the AZ jab 3 months before the EU with lots of hard graft and pen pushers cracking on.
The EU have to get the same agreement across 27 countries.
They have yet to fully approve said vaccine.

We started volume production first, and that wasn`t without issues of supply and the like, the same problems that have hit the European AZ operation.
The contract the UK signed is active, operating and being met by the supplier.
The EU`s contract is neither active, operating or meeting the Ts & Cs - yet.

They are 10-12 weeks behind us which isn`t our "fault".

First come first served it really is that simple.If the eu has lost the plot it is NOT our problem anymore.

 

[br jones]

AstraZeneca is a scapegoat for the European Commission's staggering institutional failure

Ursula von der Leyen’s Davos speech this week sounded more like a threat than a request for Britain's help

www.telegraph.co.uk

Explains a lot

 

[Vader]

@le bon paysan
What's up mate??
Normally straight in on threads with EU content.
Saying how wonderful the EU is and how useless the UK is.

We might have some problems getting fresh flowers or some veg into the uk, but thats not life or death.
When its about serious stuff, the UK gets it done while the EU dinosaur is still having a meeting to decide where to meet about the problem.

 

[Danllan]

@le bon paysan
What's up mate??
Normally straight in on threads with EU content.
Saying how wonderful the EU is and how useless the UK is.

We might have some problems getting fresh flowers or some veg into the uk, but thats not life or death.
When its about serious stuff, the UK gets it done while the EU dinosaur is still having a meeting to decide where to meet about the problem.

It looks like the EU probably only has itself to blame in this but, ultimately, people's lives could be at risk and due to no fault of theirs. So, although I share your general dislike of the EU, it's not really good form to gloat over the matter.

 

[Henarar]

It looks like the EU probably only has itself to blame in this but, ultimately, people's lives could be at risk and due to no fault of theirs. So, although I share your general dislike of the EU, it's not really good form to gloat over the matter.

absolutly right
I hope it gets sorted quickly so everyone can get vaccinated

 

[le bon paysan]

@le bon paysan
What's up mate??
Normally straight in on threads with EU content.
Saying how wonderful the EU is and how useless the UK is.

We might have some problems getting fresh flowers or some veg into the uk, but thats not life or death.
When its about serious stuff, the UK gets it done while the EU dinosaur is still having a meeting to decide where to meet about the problem.

Not how useless the UK is , in fact ( you like to ignore these) I said yesterday all credit to the UK for getting going so fast.
I also pointed out that there is a gap between jabs that is greater than the manufacturers recommendations, this is as much as 15 weeks in some parts of the UK.
I also pointed out that you are not counted as vaccinated in France until you've had your first jab, got the second rendezvous and the second jab is in stock and available to you.
Lauding the speed of the UK single jabbing is one thing, but if it means a big breakdown and re-vaccination later it won't be so clever!
It's a gamble with people's lives, that may or may not work.
Time will tell.

 

[7610 super q]

I think it's the fact that the EU demands this that and the other that gets peoples backs up. At the start of the pandemic the EU did it's best to be awkward over PPE supplies. What goes around comes around.

 

[le bon paysan]

So today Germany recommends NOT for over 65s!

Boris Johnson backs AstraZeneca vaccine after Germany says it shouldn't be given to over-65s

Boris Johnson has said he is not concerned by Germany ruling that the AstraZeneca vaccine should only be recommended for under 65s, as he argued the evidence shows it "provides a good immune response across all age groups".

www.telegraph.co.uk

Germany's vaccine commission blocks AstraZeneca for over-65s

Boris Johnson and Public Health England struck a bullish note after a Berlin commission said there was 'insufficient data to assess the efficacy of the vaccine for persons aged 65 years and older'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Love the fact that mails headline contradicts it's report. WTF!

 

[Farm buy]

Has our Government done something right

They actually have it right

 

[Still Farming]

Good job we are not in the eu.
British Products for British people first.

 

[le bon paysan]

As above, Germany says lack of data means they're not recommending it for over 65s, so where if it shows lack of efficacy does this leave the UK?
Is the UK doing any follow up tests to see if a good level of immune response is achieved in the elderly?
Or is it just headline grabbing, we've jabbed 5 million once!
I really hope not , but it could just happen that Boris has grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory!

 

[upnortheast]

The biased broadcasting corp news this afternoon sympathetic to EU argument.
No mention of UK cracking on & getting their order in 3 months ahead. of the slow moving monster

 

[Still Farming]

The biased broadcasting corp news this afternoon sympathetic to EU argument.
No mention of UK cracking on & getting their order in 3 months ahead. of the slow moving monster

The eu can still order the American, Indian ,Russian and use their Germany one but NO they want The British one?
We wonder why???