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How does that work then. The EU are going to sneak in steal vaccine from the AZ plant at Wrexham and ship it out via Ireland.
EU vaccine role out.
- Thread starter kiwi pom
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How does that work then. The EU are going to sneak in steal vaccine from the AZ plant at Wrexham and ship it out via Ireland.
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My point exactly. The kids play in the sand while the rest of us mere mortals try to get on with life. It is people (“the few”) that make things difficult. Edit. Don’t know where the bold type came from! Ok
caveman
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Nope. When we are up to speed, we are going to share our supply with ROI, as they have a porous border with our UK citizens.How does that work then. The EU are going to sneak in steal vaccine from the AZ plant at Wrexham and ship it out via Ireland.
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Johnnyboxer
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I wouldn’t say 60 year olds are low risk
One of worst age groups to be hospitalised and/or die .....especially Men
caveman
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Depends how much Guiness is involved.
linga
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I think the EU commission was stupid and I can't see what it had to do with their argument with AZ. But was it something to do with Bozza threatening to invoke Article 16 against them the previous week?
But he didn’t did he. ?
I am sure you can clarify but my understanding was that he said it was a tool that was available to use if the situation demanded it. Which to me doesn’t sound like a threat to actually invoke it.
Boohoo
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I think the EU commission was stupid and I can't see what it had to do with their argument with AZ. But was it something to do with Bozza threatening to invoke Article 16 against them the previous week?
What happened on Friday night was nothing to do with what some UK politicians have been saying about invoking Article 16.How does that work then. The EU are going to sneak in steal vaccine from the AZ plant at Wrexham and ship it out via Ireland.
It also wasn't about stealing AZ vaccine.
The EU wanted to stop exports of the Pfizer vaccine. With the current trading arrangements there's nothing to stop Pfizer reaching Northern Ireland and then once it's in NI there's nothing stopping us from sending it to GB. The EU tried to block the back door to GB on Friday night.
Read through the pizza analogy I posted earlier, it's meant to be humorous but it's not far from the truth.
Boohoo
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I hope there is a plan to supply Ireland because the amount of cross border travel could really mess things up if their vaccination levels remain lower than ours.
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- People's Republic of South Yorkshire
Interesting bit...
Car crash in slow motion'
But Friday's "Northern Ireland fiasco" as I've heard it referred to, doesn't feature very prominently in the media elsewhere in Europe. The focus remains on the absence of vaccines, promised by the European Commission, which agreed contracts with pharmaceutical companies on behalf of all its members.
With holding the bad news, first step to dictatorship led superstate ...
Car crash in slow motion'
But Friday's "Northern Ireland fiasco" as I've heard it referred to, doesn't feature very prominently in the media elsewhere in Europe. The focus remains on the absence of vaccines, promised by the European Commission, which agreed contracts with pharmaceutical companies on behalf of all its members.
With holding the bad news, first step to dictatorship led superstate ...
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Danllan
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I can't speak / read Czech, but there are plenty of Czech media websites with English on them, ditto for all the other countries in the EU. As with here, it is almost always clear which political way they veer to, but with some still maintaining a decent standard of journalism regardless of that. One thing I do find interesting, is comparing the attitude of national broadcasters.
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Mrs Czech left the CR in 2002. She never looked at their news, until, about 3/4 years ago (I don’t know why),and now she pretty much only looks at Czech news
, but certainly she reads out different “takes” on all manner of topics
Mouser
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So what impression is 'your' media of choice giving on the 'NI fiasco'?Mrs Czech left the CR in 2002. She never looked at their news, until, about 3/4 years ago (I don’t know why),and now she pretty much only looks at Czech news
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Me?
Oh, I still like the beeb
I particularly used to like 100 days, beyond 100 days. They took away its name and moved it to a rubbish time
( being as we are an hour ahead)I do watch France 24 too but they do an awful lot on Africa on there.
Hindsight
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The most worrying and potentially damaging aspect of this spat is Napoleon coming out saying that the AZ vaccine is 'quasi' effective in the over 65's and possibly the over 60s. If a Politico says such things he should give his source And given the reluctance of the French to get vaccinated what a totally daft thing to say. Little Man with a Little brain - OK by all means the French boys on her edefend him - but you will not shift me - saying what he did was shows him up.
Charlie Gill
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Demand management?
On Friday, Macron said the vaccine was “quasi-ineffective on people older than 65, some say those 60 years or older.”
“I’m not sure where he got that from,” John Bell, a medical professor at Oxford University, told BBC Radio 4’s Today program on Saturday. “I suspect this is a bit of demand management from Mr. Macron,” he said. “If you didn’t have any vaccine the best thing you could do is reduce demand.”
Macron trying to ‘reduce demand’ by criticizing Oxford/AstraZeneca jab, says vaccine scientist
‘I’m not sure where he got that from,’ says John Bell after French president claims vaccine is ‘quasi-ineffective.’
www.politico.eu
Danllan
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You make a good point regarding the vaccine take-up. I rather like President Macron's stance about French / Western values and not compromising on freedom of expression in the case of Islamo-nutters, but he seems to be playing politics with his people's health. There's an election next year and he may be playing to it; this may work, or it may come back to bite him - but since Ms Le Pen is his likely opponent, he probably isn't that concerned, yet.
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There has been lot of questionable results connected with the AstraZenica vaccine even as far back as the phase 1 primate trials, where it looked like the vaccine didn't actually work very well at all. The Phase 3 trials were deemed so incomplete as the FDA in the US have had them rerun on 30,000 people in the US, this should be reporting in the next couple of weeks. And will hopefully clear up it's levels of efficacy particularly in the >65 yr age group. The fact the original trial had no useful data on this particularly vulnerable group due to late recruitment, would have to make you recommend the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine as a first choice for this group atm.
Hindsight
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Then why are the EU is such a tizzy about getting a vaccine that your own politicos diss as being useless in the vulnerable age group.
Nah MS this is Napoleon trying to hide away from poor leadership in Brussels. Anyway rightly or wrongly the UK is now running a proper trial.. 3 million in the AZ trial to date and increasing by 100,000s every day.
Older demographic and the younger ages as well. SO in a few weeks we will know the truth. If UK has fecked up and AZ vaccine doesn't work UK government has back up plan - bought loads of Pfizer, moderna etc vaccine which I presume the Brussels hegemony will refuse to export. So if AZ is feck all use we start again and jab everyone again. Simples.