European floods

[renewablejohn]

Maybe the crazy idea of dam removal to let the rivers "flow" was not such a bright idea.

Biggest dam removal in European history

In a historic moment for Europe’s rivers, the first breach was made today in the 36 metre high Vezins Dam – kick-starting the biggest dam removal in Europe so far.

www.wwf.eu

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Not sure I would like to be pecking away at the bottom of a dam!!

It’s a bit like sawing a branch whilst sitting on the wrong end.

 

[Paddington]

I suppose the dams were put there in the first place to provide a regular supply of domestic and industrial water and perhaps hydro power. Rise in average temperatures, increasing population, therefore more water needed, or am I missing something ?

 

[Johnnyboxer]

So very sad
That part of Germany [emoji629] is an area I know very well
Been holidaying there for 25 years and stayed in Bad Munstereifel a few times, plus Adenau & Ahrweiler too
Lovely towns & villages and good people

 

[JohnGalway]

It's time to put more effort into adapting to the new unstable climate rather than keep trying half-heartedly to limit the change.

Problem being not many want to hear it while there is any other scapegoat in town. You know yourself the neighbour across the fence get's more rain. I see it on Twitter this morning, drought in Ireland, one of the least brittle environments in Europe. Suggest a change in management and receive bile. Yet, others successfully farming in properly arid regions using good management. They must get more rain in the desert than Ireland I spose.

 

[yellow belly]

I keep reading about soil infiltration rates
imho it does not matter what the soil infiltration rate is once it is topped the water has to go down the river
so a soil that takes 1 inch in a hour has to lose 1 inch in a 2 inch per hour rain

on a good clay soil after a dry summer it can take 4 inches in one go
but the same soil with a wet summer will only take a inch till Run off

 

[Farmer_Joe]

Feet will compact also if managed poorly. I'm a hill sheep farmer.



In places they may not be suitable. At the moment they seem to be a difficult square to circle. I was answering a question rather than looking for a fight, so if you wouldn't mind attributing such stupid statements to me I'd be eternally grateful

They are being dicks, don’t worry we’re not all dicks…

it’s a fact if the soil had higher infiltration rates it’s would have been less likely to happen, but may still have happened who knows, I really feel for the poor buggers is devastating I watched the clip Pete mentions with the caravan
I think the work gabe does is very interesting

 

[JP1]

 

[Ffermer Bach]

In general, abuse the soil less I would think.

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Trifon Zarezan
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NO, the reasons for the floods are NOT "Global Climate Change" due to emitions of fossil fuels.
The reason is the destruction of the topsoil in agricultural farmland and the organic matter (carbon based life) like bacteria, insects, earthworms, fungi and both living and decaying roots.
It is that organic matter, that is reduced to 1% and should be 10-15%, that acts as a sponge and absorbs water from rains and melting snow and ice. Instead of the water staying in the topsoil (and benefiting plants) it runs off to the rivers and in some cases creates terrible floods.
The soil is eroding and the organic matter disappearing because of tilling, poisons like herbicides, fungicides, pesticides and artificial fertilizers.
Solution: Regenerative Agriculture. 1) only eat organic as a minimum - if you don't do... don't say you care about climate. 2) eat more red meat from grazing herbivores that are managed holistically (read Allan Savory and Joel Salatin for details). 3) when it comes to climate - listen to the people ACTUALLY experiencing climate change : farmers and forest managers - not the quasi scientists and their incompetent jourbalists that are paid to push an agenda.

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[Ffermer Bach]

I know feet can compact land, I see it every spring on ground that’s grown and grazed stubble turnips, but that’s not what happens in the hills and uplands on extensively stocked ground.

upland areas can still be farmed in a way that discourages accumulation of organic matter in the soil (and it is partly this increase in living soils with organic matter that increases water infiltration rates). Increasing infiltration rates and holding capacity of the soils (before they reach field capacity) that reduces run off and if run off is reduced over a large area, the impact of these 500 year events are reduced.

 

[JohnGalway]

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Trifon Zarezan
11 h ·
NO, the reasons for the floods are NOT "Global Climate Change" due to emitions of fossil fuels.
The reason is the destruction of the topsoil in agricultural farmland and the organic matter (carbon based life) like bacteria, insects, earthworms, fungi and both living and decaying roots.
It is that organic matter, that is reduced to 1% and should be 10-15%, that acts as a sponge and absorbs water from rains and melting snow and ice. Instead of the water staying in the topsoil (and benefiting plants) it runs off to the rivers and in some cases creates terrible floods.
The soil is eroding and the organic matter disappearing because of tilling, poisons like herbicides, fungicides, pesticides and artificial fertilizers.
Solution: Regenerative Agriculture. 1) only eat organic as a minimum - if you don't do... don't say you care about climate. 2) eat more red meat from grazing herbivores that are managed holistically (read Allan Savory and Joel Salatin for details). 3) when it comes to climate - listen to the people ACTUALLY experiencing climate change : farmers and forest managers - not the quasi scientists and their incompetent jourbalists that are paid to push an agenda.
See how the average temperature in your area is changing.
=AZX4QbkNbMU9oodWATPtEWKiIfMWe78_F2I5QmHDCkkAdTNn3IilPO-jIlmpPX-i5ui4yliepNLFcavEh-0zxxRYUOP35ll3K7KoKxWH-U7o6BqsJQM71GJcOcS41-UcUQIqe1Pggay68Olewyaq0NLYOHoOA6dCFtBaUoTeKY1iJw&__tn__=*W-R']Explore Climate Science Info

I would generally agree though I do think fossil fuels are part of the problem. Organic has a big problem in terms of tilling the soil. This destroys fungi and increases bacteria leading to all sorts of soil issues. It's fungi soils are often missing (as well as many other things...), they do amazing stuff.

@Sheila Cooke is the 3LM Savory hub for UK & Ireland, they do great training

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I would generally agree though I do think fossil fuels are part of the problem. Organic has a big problem in terms of tilling the soil. This destroys fungi and increases bacteria leading to all sorts of soil issues. It's fungi soils are often missing (as well as many other things...), they do amazing stuff.

@Sheila Cooke is the 3LM Savory hub for UK & Ireland, they do great training

I would agree with you, I am organic, but I believe organic with ploughing is less sustainable than non organic without ploughing, but the latter is a harder sell

 

[thorpe]

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Trifon Zarezan
11 h ·
NO, the reasons for the floods are NOT "Global Climate Change" due to emitions of fossil fuels.
The reason is the destruction of the topsoil in agricultural farmland and the organic matter (carbon based life) like bacteria, insects, earthworms, fungi and both living and decaying roots.
It is that organic matter, that is reduced to 1% and should be 10-15%, that acts as a sponge and absorbs water from rains and melting snow and ice. Instead of the water staying in the topsoil (and benefiting plants) it runs off to the rivers and in some cases creates terrible floods.
The soil is eroding and the organic matter disappearing because of tilling, poisons like herbicides, fungicides, pesticides and artificial fertilizers.
Solution: Regenerative Agriculture. 1) only eat organic as a minimum - if you don't do... don't say you care about climate. 2) eat more red meat from grazing herbivores that are managed holistically (read Allan Savory and Joel Salatin for details). 3) when it comes to climate - listen to the people ACTUALLY experiencing climate change : farmers and forest managers - not the quasi scientists and their incompetent jourbalists that are paid to push an agenda.
See how the average temperature in your area is changing.
=AZX4QbkNbMU9oodWATPtEWKiIfMWe78_F2I5QmHDCkkAdTNn3IilPO-jIlmpPX-i5ui4yliepNLFcavEh-0zxxRYUOP35ll3K7KoKxWH-U7o6BqsJQM71GJcOcS41-UcUQIqe1Pggay68Olewyaq0NLYOHoOA6dCFtBaUoTeKY1iJw&__tn__=*W-R']Explore Climate Science Info

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what a load of bullucks!

 

[Nick Adams]

Unbelievable! and they are saying the authorities should have been better prepared, how do you prepare for this?
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You farm in a way that protects and improves the soil. This field is sand but I can’t see it eroding with the roots of this crop binding the soil.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

what a load of bullucks!

Needs to take a good hard look at himself.

One of the main reason those houses are flooded.... drum roll please.... is because they are built on floodplains

how the feck does he think the soil got there, out of a dinosaur's arse?

just like everytime the Southland/Canterbury/Taieri plains flood here, and it is because of something someone did wrong... no, you just built your mansion in a drained swamp

 

[Steel]

They ignore the larger floods of the past.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1416595956644990980

 

[Captain Slack]

Historic flood markers from Germany and Czech, it seems there have been problems in the past.

 

[tw15]

What damage has all that heavy rain done to the crops out there OSR must have been fit to cut as they are a couple of weeks ahead anyone got any pictures etc .

 

[matthew]

Friend lives in that area, in a very old farmhouse and looks down on the devastation. Her silage fields are flooded in one corner. The rest of the farm, her stock and her 500 year old farmhouse are dry.
Experience taught the ancient builders where to build, and more importantly, where not to.

But she says the cause is building on flood plains, often on unstable ground after open cast mining etc.

The EU weather satellites gave almost a week''s warning of 'extreme' weather for this region. But apparently local authorities failed to transmit that, or act on it.

The loss of life is just awful. As is the devastation caused.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I think we have both reasons, yes, we have and continue to build on flood plains, absolute madness, we are building on the best quality land, we should be building on the poorer land up in the hills, but unfortunately no one wants to live there, but also land use and run off, poor water holding capacity of the soil and low infiltration rates also contribute.

Where we go from here, I don't think we can "unbuild" all the houses, shops etc on the floodplains, maybe not build more, and maybe as insurance costs increase they will become abandoned. But we can improve how we look after our soils, to reduce the flash flooding events in the future.