Ever met a pleasant dog walker ?

snipe

Member
Location
west yorkshire
Do your Councils or local government have “dog catchers”, or fine people for loose dogs, unchipped ( micro chip ) dogs, etc etc ?
We have a dog catcher ( every local government / local Council area in Australia does ) & we impound unrestrained dogs, that owners have to pay a fine to release. Otherwise, they are not long for this world . . .
As for dogs attacking livestock, other dogs or people - our police have the power ( & they use it ) to shoot or otherwise dispatch them
Police/council’s aren’t even bothered about motox bikes, quads, 4x4s driving over field. we have 6 police covering two towns of around 35,000 each.
 

bluebell

Member
Snipe you just about summed up the police numbers here in essex? 6 police covering 2 towns of 35,000 people each? Whats happened? ive lived here for 50 odd years, back in the 1970s-80s we had local police, a police station in the small town, that was manned 24 seven, police houses, police were seen to patrol the town on foot? Now today the town, area has grown, over doubled in size, population, and still growing? Yet the local police station has closed sold off for yet more housing? No wonder crime of all types from serious to petty is out of control?
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Lincolnshire has fifty percent more actual coppers than it had in the 70s. An increase greater than population increase. That's actual "hat and truncheon" on the streets police.

Admittedly for every copper it has 1.4 additional staff.

Now, ask them if they know who's doing all the crime! Majority of crime = few repeat career criminals. What they need are some proper "sting" operations.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
To answer the question: yes. Also met some aggressive farmers so would not tar all with the same brush.

Hope this farmer in particular recovers well.
Car drivers come way higher in the list of horrible people than dog walkers , I stress some , what is it that couses someone to become an agressive impatient idiot as soon as he gets behind the wheel , they need their horns cutting off for a start
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Snipe you just about summed up the police numbers here in essex? 6 police covering 2 towns of 35,000 people each? Whats happened? ive lived here for 50 odd years, back in the 1970s-80s we had local police, a police station in the small town, that was manned 24 seven, police houses, police were seen to patrol the town on foot? Now today the town, area has grown, over doubled in size, population, and still growing? Yet the local police station has closed sold off for yet more housing? No wonder crime of all types from serious to petty is out of control?
Watched one of those cop shows last week. An arrest that took 20 minutes 7am - 7.20 am, needed a further 12 hours paper work. No wonder they ain't keen to make arrests and solve crime..........
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Watched one of those cop shows last week. An arrest that took 20 minutes 7am - 7.20 am, needed a further 12 hours paper work. No wonder they ain't keen to make arrests and solve crime..........
Absolutely ludicrous.

Know some Dog Handlers well and the tales of wasted time they can tell are horrendous. Coppers "discussing" who should be the arresting Officer to enable the dog handler to go back on patrol, or someone almost at the end of a 12hr shift, not wanting anymore work to keep them back....
 

melted welly

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
Absolutely ludicrous.

Know some Dog Handlers well and the tales of wasted time they can tell are horrendous. Coppers "discussing" who should be the arresting Officer to enable the dog handler to go back on patrol, or someone almost at the end of a 12hr shift, not wanting anymore work to keep them back....
A couple of my friends are in and apparently whilst officer numbers are up, there’s actually scores of officers dedicated to trawling thru historic tweets, social media etc “profiling” potential offenders, therefore fewer doing physical policing.
 

unlacedgecko

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
A couple of my friends are in and apparently whilst officer numbers are up, there’s actually scores of officers dedicated to trawling thru historic tweets, social media etc “profiling” potential offenders, therefore fewer doing physical policing.
Sign of the times. Typing mean words online is more damaging and criminal than abducting and raping women.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Car drivers come way higher in the list of horrible people than dog walkers , I stress some , what is it that couses someone to become an agressive impatient idiot as soon as he gets behind the wheel , they need their horns cutting off for a start

Getting stuck behind a bunch of middle-aged, Lycra clad pillocks taking up the whole road on their two wheeled wobblers?
 

BBC

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Farm is criss crossed with footpaths and a long distance path through the middle, so see plenty of walkers. The vast majority are fine and mostly local, so do respect the paths, but we do get the odd Walker navigating by mobile phone or vague directions in a guide book, but usually very appreciative when pointed in the right direction.

The problem ones are the lentil eating, woollen knicker brigade who have a Chris Packham poster on their bedroom wall. Can spot them a mile off laden with backpack, binoculars and long lense cameras who because they have spotted a highly rare lesser spotted little brown jobby, this gives them the right to go wherever they want.

Was accosted by one last year when doing an evening walk with the dog on a footpath, who laid into me that I should control my dog and that it had to be on a lead so as to not disturb the ground nesting birds.

I ‘politely’ pointed out to her that a) it was my field so my dog can do what the hell it likes in the field and b) that the reason the grass was so short was because the field had been baled for silage the previous week, so if there were any ground nesting birds they were now nesting inside a 6ft silage bale!
 
Lincolnshire has fifty percent more actual coppers than it had in the 70s. An increase greater than population increase. That's actual "hat and truncheon" on the streets police.

Admittedly for every copper it has 1.4 additional staff.

Now, ask them if they know who's doing all the crime! Majority of crime = few repeat career criminals. What they need are some proper "sting" operations.

I think the issue is a total lack of prison space. We need more, like 50% more capacity.
 
I think the issue is a total lack of prison space. We need more, like 50% more capacity.

Do the repeat offender stats show us that prison is not an effective deterrent?

Our horses are in livery with a senior magistrate and he sees the same people over & over again. He says the problem starts when first/second/third offenders keep getting fines, which are paid off at 50p a month. i.e. no deterrent at all. Eventually these characters end up with short custodial sentences, which then becomes an "incarceration hokey-cokey" as he puts it.

If prison were thoroughly unpleasant places, with zero access to drugs and mobile phones, then reoffending would reduce. It's really not rocket science.
 
Do the repeat offender stats show us that prison is not an effective deterrent?

Our horses are in livery with a senior magistrate and he sees the same people over & over again. He says the problem starts when first/second/third offenders keep getting fines, which are paid off at 50p a month. i.e. no deterrent at all. Eventually these characters end up with short custodial sentences, which then becomes an "incarceration hokey-cokey" as he puts it.

If prison were thoroughly unpleasant places, with zero access to drugs and mobile phones, then reoffending would reduce. It's really not rocket science.

I'm not worried about it being a deterrent or otherwise. I want people who repeatedly demonstrate they can't follow the rules of society put into prison and kept out of society, forever if that is what is needed. I don't care that prison isn't a deterrent or a punishment- I just want criminals out of society.

You can't keep people in a gulag- it's not going to rehabilitate anyone and it makes it harder on the staff and harder to manage the people within such a system. I wouldn't mind if prisons were a fenced in version of centre parcs, they would be separate away from society and our families which is all that really matters.

How you combat drugs in prison I do not know.
 
I'm not worried about it being a deterrent or otherwise.

I wouldn't mind if prisons were a fenced in version of centre parcs, they would be separate away from society and our families which is all that really matters.

At risk of veering off topic:

Agreed that I want criminals out of circulation, even if it is on a temporary basis.

From my limited experience, prison seems warm & dry, with nice food and big TVs and pool tables etc., all at the law-abiding taxpayers' expense.

Prison should be a carefully considered blend of punishment and rehabilitation, factoring in a debt to society. For example, while there are thousands of people in jail for non-violent crimes, there shouldn't be any litter in our public spaces. Companies should be able to apply for prison labour to cover manual unskilled jobs, e.g. sweeping out a grainstore.

People who end up in front of the magistrates and get fines, but have no means to pay their debts should have an hour or two in the stocks on a Sunday morning.
 

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