Stw88
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- Location
- Northumberland
I don’t mind wheat feed being there as long as it’s below barley, soya and maize.
Ewe nuts
- Thread starter Bullabong
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- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Wheatfeed can be a multitude of things, from bran/husk through to the fines from milling bread flour. It's not necessarily either a good, or a bad, thing.
Oatfeed however, is just fibre put in to bulk up cheaply, and I'd avoid any feed containing it.
- Location
- Cheshire
We feed an 18% ewe nut from Carr’s. how do you folks feeding a 20%+ nut stop your ewes just skittering it away?
Father gets his silage analysed and we only had 12.3%protein, so I was looking out for a high protein formulation. Probably should get one of their reps to run feed plan for us. I also thought you could feed a bit less in years we had a higher protein silage, so better cost effective than an 18%.
hubbahubba
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- Sunny Glasgow
Never notice them skittering. Although one of the other feed sale reps were saying too high in protein can make them burn fat off there backs, and a word for it that i cant mind. Can this be a downside to high protein feeding? I like it as can feed less, especially triplets with maybe less stomach space.
soya 46 % protein-good, maize for energy, sugarbeet pulp- filler in my eyes, moderate energy and protien and why is it molassed does that read better? distillers dark grins-barley distillers 25% protien: maize distillers 28%: wheat 34% which it is or a mix either way its at least 25% protien, barley-energy, rapeseed-38% protien and nearly as good as soya as bypass, wheatfeed-higher proeint less energy than sugarbeet pulp so filler, maize gluten, 21% protien, then molasses-bind and kill dust really, 3rd after that is ruman protected soya-very far down and finally that list is supposed to include all ingrdient so where is the vitamins and minerals.
questions i have on the mix
ash is 9.8% which is does that seem high or is this a nut.
over 12 ingreients, 4 are above the protein of the finished ration, 2 are well above it, doesnt add up to me.
to me sugarbeet pulp 3rd on list, 11% protein, ME 12 for energy, that behind barley at 12% protein and ME13, but i bet it is behind on price too which is why i said its a filler.
where in the ingredient list would the vitamin be just as it give u a good idea how much of the last ingriendient are added as generall it is 25Kg molasses generally is 25-30Kg but in a nut might be higher so cant fully relay on it.
genrally in a feed i want to see first 4 ingredients and where minerals is. first 4 ingredients should make up 60% minimum in my view any Good ingredient mentioned after that is just there because u will be looking for it, as in this case, maize gluten, ruman protected soya and possibly rapeseed.
yes i do/have spent too long looking at labels but this is only becasue i used to be fit to buy an18% ewe blend that out performed other 21% blends, was 30 a ton cheaper too but he stopped mixing it. the difference was the mill mixing it couls only hold a limited number of ingredients for all meal mixes so had less room for label correction fillers.
Sugar beet pulp is a great feed, ewes love it, plenty of safe energy and fibre, very rumen friendly, probably aids the digestion of the rest of the constituents no end, it’s not entirely about the numbers on the paper.
dont think i have ever had it that far up in a list yet, but rarely buy meal with as many ingredients, i tend to buy blends. you could have a point i remeber a local mill removing something out of a meal and replacing it with sugar beet pulp for some reason, something tells me it was soya hulls.
Thinking of it would it still have a certian amount of the same stuff that the molasses has that helps the ruman bugs?
Stw88
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- Location
- Northumberland
I’ve found this too. Used it one year for the mule ewes expecting them to come out the shed fat as butter. Complete opposite. Don’t think they’ve ever been as lean, milked well but pulled all the flesh off them. Haven’t used it since.
The vits and mins quantities are under additives and trace elements on the formulation label. I actually noticed that but E 150units and selenium levels were in particular very high compared to others I compared. I think beat pulp is the best fibre feed for sheep out there also told it helps reduce prolapse as it slows down the digestion keeping a rumen feeling full less chance for ewes to gorge on silage.
I have had a look and cant find last years sheep blend. Think it started soya, barley, whole maize, then it might have said beet but could have been rapeseed. will be lookinf for it now when looking at this years meal options which could be a pellet for a change. Everyday a school day but unless i havent been looking for it i dont recall seeing it on any list but soya hulls is common.
- Location
- Wexford, Ireland
anyone using whole barley in their home mix? currently using bought in 20% ration but its pricey.
as discussed above,would the following be an option for an 18% ewe mix
25% whole barley
25% SBP
25% distillers grains
17% soya
5% molasses
2.5% minerals + vits
id be fairly confident that it would actaully cost more than current feed being used but hate using feed with loads of crap fillers
thanks in advance
as discussed above,would the following be an option for an 18% ewe mix
25% whole barley
25% SBP
25% distillers grains
17% soya
5% molasses
2.5% minerals + vits
id be fairly confident that it would actaully cost more than current feed being used but hate using feed with loads of crap fillers
thanks in advance
Greythundercloudys
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268 a ton for nfw today, going up to 270 odd next week.
If you were a dairy farmer they would priced it at £268 and held it until May.
Greythundercloudys
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Probably, l might get a load of Davidsons.
- Location
- Dumfries & Galloway
Drop the Soya and you're basically doing what I am. Why do you need the soya, anyway?... we used to feed 18% but I'm running at 16% now.
8ton loads consisting of;
3t Distillers Grains (usually maize and it is the top/preferred choice, but current load is very mealy and breaking down too much, may swap to Wheat for the next load)
3t Rolled grain (barley, wheat or oats - must be rolled to incorporate the molasses better!)
2t beet pulp.
On farm I have vit+mineralised molasses which is 16% protein
the portions are 37.5% + 37.5% + 25% of the feeds then add 5% of the weight in molasses (for example I add 75kg to 1.5t of feed to make a batch)
livestock 1
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Protein needs energy to digest it. If there’s not enough energy they use the fat reserves to process the protein. It’s a bit like the Atkins Diet. Worst example here was once I kept some old knack ewes and gave them molasses as I always did ad-lib to keep them on their feet. We were advised to switch from pure cane to 20% urea. Flesh flew off them the more they drank the thinner they got.
I feed 18% ewe rolls but also beet so they get the energy. I sometimes doubt that ewes need 18% rolls. Used to be 16% max
I feed 18% ewe rolls but also beet so they get the energy. I sometimes doubt that ewes need 18% rolls. Used to be 16% max
hubbahubba
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- Sunny Glasgow
Ive also been told in cattle anyway high protein diets drive intakes? Would sheep be the same? I wonder if i should stick to the ewelac 18% rolls and not the 20% with added soya....
Plain steer
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They know sheep farmers have had a good year
They know sheep farmers won't squeal like a dairy farmer