Ewe went to auction and was condemned

z.man

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Mixed Farmer
Location
central scotland
The Op should get a copy of the kill sheet given to them, if they don't then the buyer has to stand the loss regardless of the FCI form being signed.

As for going onto another holding, how long was it on that holding for?
I think if it is condemned after it is killed the abattoirs insurance covers it or that is what I have been told.
This would happen at an abattoir that I use ?
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
If its condemned (whole carcass) the vendor takes the loss . It's always been like that if you sell dead weight.

It's just part of the job .noone gets it right every or 100% of the time. And how you tell with some things anyway. They appear fine else you wouldn't send them, know one takes the temp. Of stock before they go do they,:unsure:
 

Purli R

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If I remember correctly, Bentham Auction has a sign up in the ring stating all cull ewes are sold as without warranty,but its 2 month since I"ve been so cant quite remember precise wording,but it makes it perfectly clear. @Anymulewilldo might know?
 

yellowbelly

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Livestock Farmer
Location
N.Lincs
If I remember correctly, Bentham Auction has a sign up in the ring stating all cull ewes are sold as without warranty,but its 2 month since I"ve been so cant quite remember precise wording,but it makes it perfectly clear. @Anymulewilldo might know?

When Newark first added the deduction for 'antemortem' to their, seemingly endless, list of stoppages....
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.... a wholesale butcher told me that, up until then, cull ewes had always been sold on the understanding that they were 'at buyers risk'.

When culls were making about £30 a piece, I suppose they were happy to stand it themselves, but now they're paying £90-£120 (and more) they look at it differently.

Can't see why they don't take it into account when they buy them in the first place though, that's what they must have done in the past.
 

Smith31

Member
As stated above, ask for the documentation from the meat inspector to confirm. On another note, it would be interesting to know how they knew it was your ewe if purchased from an auction and was delivered to the lairage in a mixed batch. Once the head comes off, if it's a smallish abattoir there is very little traceability for individual animals.

If the carcass was condemned, a farmer can not have it back, we stain and tip the carcass into the skip, under the supervision of the vet.

However, not all farmers are honest and take animal welfare seriously. We often have ewes smelling of Lynx and other exotic mens deodorants, in order to hide smells associated with infection, where under belly wounds have not fully healed.

These are probably the same farmers who use body filler and black body seal on rotten trailer chassis, before selling them at auction.

Quick note, if you have areas where stagnant water holds in your fields where ewes drink from, now with this dry weather, it is the time to fill or drain these areas, it's amazing what health issues drinking from dirty, stagnant water causes.
 
Location
Cleveland
We often have ewes smelling of Lynx and other exotic mens deodorants, in order to hide smells associated with infection, where under belly wounds have not fully healed.
Now come on, I find it very hard to believe that a farmer would spray his ewes with brut before he sells them....I mean most farmers don’t use soap let alone perfume ?
 

tr250

Member
Location
Northants
What's the latest @tr250? Any more info from the auctioneers?
Spoke to them this morning and the sheep was killed friday morning so less than 24hours of when I saw it so I think We’ve got to take it on the chin not happy as I thought we presented a sheep to market looking health and it made £94 so was top end sheep. The abattoir said it had septicaemia in the blood
 
suspect, like many others, dealers/buyers try it on, a bit of a back hander, or bonus for them. I would think the more mkts that operate insurance policies, the bigger the problem was getting. The mkt should be impartial, but they, like us, rely on the dealers/buyers attending the mkt, so a conundrum, but if the mkts had stood firm, in the first place, this would never have occurred.

Same thing happened my father around 2 years ago. Sold a cow in the cull ring, got cheque, happy days, week after gets a call from the mart saying the dealer that bought the cow had the carcass condemned due to water under the flesh and they were looking the money back. Later turned out the dealers sister works in the mart office and we had to get the vet to the farm to write a letter stating no cattle here show signs of this. After a bit of back and fourth we didnt refund anything.
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
I can understand them trying to keep regular buyers sweet but if that is outwith their own rules or without proper paperwork to back the claim up, then it should be at the mart's expense not the vendor's.
been thinking on that, slightly wrong, funding the dealers AND keeping them sweet.
 
Spoke to them this morning and the sheep was killed friday morning so less than 24hours of when I saw it so I think We’ve got to take it on the chin not happy as I thought we presented a sheep to market looking health and it made £94 so was top end sheep. The abattoir said it had septicaemia in the blood
Hmm, sounds like they might have a case then but have you seen written evidence and are the mart rules being followed?
 

Smith31

Member
Now come on, I find it very hard to believe that a farmer would spray his ewes with brut before he sells them....I mean most farmers don’t use soap let alone perfume ?

No word of a lie we had a ewe once smelling of Lynx Africa, when it went on the line, a slaughtermen caught his knife on some barb wire which was tangled in the wool, followed by a discharge of yellow pus which didn't smell like Lynx Africa.

This was an isolated case admittedly. Farmers can be extremely inventive when required. The legs, shoulders and neck were fine the remainder was skipped if I remember correctly.
 
Has anyone received t&c from their local mart. Im not sure how when some are dealing with big financial figures there is no agreements or t&cs in place. How is this legal or should be all be asking for copy? Ive never had issue but Im sure in some legals could ask in future.
 

tr250

Member
Location
Northants
Hmm, sounds like they might have a case then but have you seen written evidence and are the mart rules being followed?
Yes I had to back down. I’ve seen evidence from the abattoir with kill date and the sheeps number etc. All I can think is it had mastitis last year and cleared up itself as every one we treat gets a cull Mark. Then we found it to be one quartered at lambing and put it with culls rearing one lamb that lamb was fat so culled the sheep at the same time and she had a full udder and the pressure broke something in the other side. ill sheep don’t rear 43kg lambs in may without creep feed though I wouldn’t of thought
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
we had a bull, tried to kill itself, stuck under 3 cubicles, no idea, anyway filled it up with ab, several attempts, 9 months later, and served odd cow or two, looked good, off he went, totally condemned, septicemia, that was wasted effort, only consolation, no disposal bill.
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Yes I had to back down. I’ve seen evidence from the abattoir with kill date and the sheeps number etc. All I can think is it had mastitis last year and cleared up itself as every one we treat gets a cull Mark. Then we found it to be one quartered at lambing and put it with culls rearing one lamb that lamb was fat so culled the sheep at the same time and she had a full udder and the pressure broke something in the other side. ill sheep don’t rear 43kg lambs in may without creep feed though I wouldn’t of thought

Why back down?

You obviously sold it in good faith.
The auctioneers were happy to sell.
The buyer was happy to bid.

I would feel a bit guilty and would probably want to see the buyer next time I was at the market and offer a gesture of good will but I see no legal reason why they should refuse to pay.
Do buyers ever come round with a bottle because they graded out much better than expected?
 

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