Ewes pushing guts out related to calcuim or magnesium?

[hubbahubba]

So as above ive now had 2 ewes in last few days push intestines out but no sign of the womb just guts.

1st 5 crop tex x carrying 3. On silage and rolls twice a day.

2nd 3 crop tex x carrying 2 on haylage and rolls twice a day.

550 inside ao far due 15th march in this lot.

Read as much as i can and all i can do to help i think is to add calcuim and mag to water or in buckets. I have scotmin sheep mag buckets (i use for cows when grazing with sheep) 6.5% calcuim and 15% magnesium. Crystalixs tubs i have with the ewes are 3% calcium and 0.25% magnesium. Worried the mag tubs would be too much for them?

Any more links to standard lamb bed prolapse and full guts prolapse with calcuim and magnesium or am i looking for something that isnt there?

 

[puppet]

2 prolapses out of 550 is not bad. We have had 2 in 220 this week, both OK with harnesses. I think they will all start with a normal prolapse then with lots of pushing they rupture and guts appear. Been threads here before about minerals, genetics, etc. Good condition, multiple lambs and too much hay are main factors. You just have to have a good look round every few hours to catch them early.

 

[hubbahubba]

2 prolapses out of 550 is not bad. We have had 2 in 220 this week, both OK with harnesses. I think they will all start with a normal prolapse then with lots of pushing they rupture and guts appear. Been threads here before about minerals, genetics, etc. Good condition, multiple lambs and too much hay are main factors. You just have to have a good look round every few hours to catch them early.

Yeh there not normal prolapses. There are about 5 with harnesses on. None of them have been bad and most were the types that go in and out themselfs but i just put harnesses in them anyway.

The two that died i dont think ever had a lamb bed out and both done it an hour after having there 1/2kg night feed.

 

[puppet]

Sometimes just bad run as lambing date approaches and problems appear. Hope it settles down for you.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Some years you get none and some years you get loads

 

[Bury the Trash]

So as above ive now had 2 ewes in last few days push intestines out but no sign of the womb just guts.

1st 5 crop tex x carrying 3. On silage and rolls twice a day.

2nd 3 crop tex x carrying 2 on haylage and rolls twice a day.

550 inside ao far due 15th march in this lot.

Read as much as i can and all i can do to help i think is to add calcuim and mag to water or in buckets. I have scotmin sheep mag buckets (i use for cows when grazing with sheep) 6.5% calcuim and 15% magnesium. Crystalixs tubs i have with the ewes are 3% calcium and 0.25% magnesium. Worried the mag tubs would be too much for them?

Any more links to standard lamb bed prolapse and full guts prolapse with calcuim and magnesium or am i looking for something that isnt there?

Were they closely related, ? sometimes there can be a genetic link I think.

 

[hally]

We always get them, texels seem the worst.......such is life

 

[Northern territory]

Just found one near hay feeder this morning, on hay and fodder beet due in a month. Had a couple to the same last year. Annoying, think she was 5 th crop tex cross

 

[hubbahubba]

Looking back ive had 3 in 3 years do it, and 2 more that have had there lamb bed out, then burst and lamb bed out that way. Now 2 more in a week.

Thinking about trying mag tubs or magnesium sulphate 2kg powder bags in each water trough, just a knife hole in bag to let it leach out? Although think im possibly clutching at straws.....

 

[hubbahubba]

Were they closely related, ? sometimes there can be a genetic link I think.

One was a home bread and other was bought in.

 

[glensman]

So as above ive now had 2 ewes in last few days push intestines out but no sign of the womb just guts.

1st 5 crop tex x carrying 3. On silage and rolls twice a day.

2nd 3 crop tex x carrying 2 on haylage and rolls twice a day.

550 inside ao far due 15th march in this lot.

Read as much as i can and all i can do to help i think is to add calcuim and mag to water or in buckets. I have scotmin sheep mag buckets (i use for cows when grazing with sheep) 6.5% calcuim and 15% magnesium. Crystalixs tubs i have with the ewes are 3% calcium and 0.25% magnesium. Worried the mag tubs would be too much for them?

Any more links to standard lamb bed prolapse and full guts prolapse with calcuim and magnesium or am i looking for something that isnt there?

Do you give them rolls first thing in the morning?

 

[hubbahubba]

Yeh first thing and tea time. Both burst after tea about 8pm.

 

[livestock 1]

What are you feeding them?

 

[muleman]

Ewes will be a bit too fit but better fit and lose the odd one this way than too lean and lose them with twin lamb or lamb with no milk....its a fine line getting the balance right.

 

[hubbahubba]

What are you feeding them?

twins 1kg per day and triplets 1.5kg per day, over 2 feeds. One was a lean triplet. Triplets on adlib silage, everthing else adlib haylage.

Most ewes are in good order but some girls on there last year or younger girls with too many lambs have taken a knock since scaning, so started to feed cake earlier as they wouldnt eat much haylage outside.

 

[livestock 1]

Ewes will be a bit too fit but better fit and lose the odd one this way than too lean and lose them with twin lamb or lamb with no milk....its a fine line getting the balance right.

Exactly right

 

[Bury the Trash]

twins 1kg per day and triplets 1.5kg per day, over 2 feeds. One was a lean triplet. Triplets on adlib silage, everthing else adlib haylage.

Most ewes are in good order but some girls on there last year or younger girls with too many lambs have taken a knock since scaning, so started to feed cake earlier as they wouldnt eat much haylage outside.

We had a storm of it once, saw it a bit more in one family line , but
others too.

Vet told me to back right off the conc.

So I did a bit reluctantly as they were close to lambing, they were in good condition , bit too good tbf.
I cut the conc back and replaced it with a bit of mol sugar beet pulp pellets or shreds.
Relativly Small amount of good type fibre I think is the key.

I think it helped some but by then we had lost a few.

 

[livestock 1]

twins 1kg per day and triplets 1.5kg per day, over 2 feeds. One was a lean triplet. Triplets on adlib silage, everthing else adlib haylage.

Most ewes are in good order but some girls on there last year or younger girls with too many lambs have taken a knock since scaning, so started to feed cake earlier as they wouldnt eat much haylage outside.

My uncle used to feed some sugar beet nuts with the cake up to lambing and odd times had trouble like guts out etc. I blamed the beet swelling in their guts.
We feed over a kilo of cake with 20% barley mixed in. Ad lib fodderbeet whole or chopped depending where we are. Ad lib promol 20% urea molasses. Ad lib silage. Haven’t had a lot of bother lately. We bolus ewes pre tupping with smartrace 24/7us copper. Mule and swale ewes with various crosses. I’ve asked our vets about this and they have no idea.
Are your ewes very fit and do they have high % scan? That makes you higher risk

 

[Bury the Trash]

Ewes will be a bit too fit but better fit and lose the odd one this way than too lean and lose them with twin lamb or lamb with no milk....its a fine line getting the balance right.

I agree but they also thinner ones carrying a lot of lambs can rupture prolapse as well.

 

[glensman]

Yeh first thing and tea time. Both burst after tea about 8pm.

We stopped feeding meal first thing in the morning a few years ago. They get a small /medium feed of silage in the morning, meal around 2.00 -3.00 and then a decent amount of silage around 5.00, that's them until silage in the morning again. We've found it's made a big difference to the general health of the sheep, no prolapse the last two years and no mastitis last year for the first time ever. My theory is that getting meal with a bit of silage in their belly reduces acidosis/inflammation and they are not as frantic feeding nuts after having some silage in the morning.