Excellent article about vegans getting ill.

Guleesh

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It's really not so simple is it?

My perception is that some races of people have lived for many generations on a meat based diet, and some races have lived on a plant based diet, and then there's every other diet in between. I understand that there's groups of people on earth that can remain perfectly healthy as life long vegetarians or even as vegans, just as it's obvious that the people that have lived for generations eating nothing more than fish and seals don't suffer ill health because they missed out on their 5 a day for countless generations.

I realise it's possibly a highly contentious subject, but in my opinion it's quite silly that we don't seem to want to recognise that there are major differences in dietary requirements depending on ethnicity, just look at the disproportionate obesity and other health problems that certain groups of indigenous people are battling thanks to their rapid transition from their traditional hunter-gatherer style diet to a modern European junk food diet consisting of mainly grains and sugar.

One size doesn't fit all. which of course is why everybody should be left to choose their own diet, free from government and corporate influences. This modern idea that a perfect diet that is best for everybody's health could ever be worked out by a public health body or government, and will optimal for every individual in any country is stupidity.

Sorry, just thinking aloud, it's a rambling post and a bit off topic. I thought about just deleting it but then remembered you lot were squabbling about FGM a while ago, so in contrast this post doesn't seem so far off....
 

unlacedgecko

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Trust me Ollie, there is not the slightest comparison. The aim of FGM is purely and simply to remove women's pleasure from sex. In some quarters the poor girl is sewn up so it is distinctly painful, particularly for the first time.
It is also far more dangerous to the victim , properly done the removal of the foreskin is both painless and has little risk ofinfection. FGM can involve the removal of the bulk of the skin around the vulva.

FGM is abhorrent and disgusting.

But MGM is not without risk, especially when done using "traditional" methods.



Personally, I think anyone cutting parts of a child without damn good medical reason should hang.
 

neilo

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im a keen marathon runner, and have started running ultras this year. I'm amazed how many of the top endurance runners are vegan, easily 1/3 -1/2 of the top 10 100 mile race winners are vegan. its really pushed in all the running books and you tube videos.

There could be something in this. I’m about as far from a vegan as it’s possible to get, and have been known to enjoy a heaped plate with nowt but lamb & mint sauce on before now (Mrs NeilO has the photo somewhere :rolleyes: ), but will suffer the odd vegetable if I must.

However, I can definitely confirm that I don’t intend to attempt any marathons (well, maybe if they were to rename ‘Snickers’ again🤐).
 

DaveGrohl

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Vegan fat block:
Ingredients ~ Shea butter oil??? 40+% ???

My favourite foot cream, and my favourite kept-for-a-pampering hand cream contains 40% Shea butter! Neither are appealing to eat, any more than that vegan pastry was that was full of palm oil.
Well seed oils were originally intended for use in engines of course.
 

jerseycowsman

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What happened to the other urban foodie buzzword, ‘clean eating’, where food was cooked from as few wholesome ingredients as possible and additives were to be avoided at all costs?

A couple of weeks ago I picked up a ‘ham and cheese’ sandwich in Greggs. It was only when I got home that I spotted my mistake. Take a look at the ingredients list:

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Ultra high processed sh!t
 

Cowabunga

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What happened to the other urban foodie buzzword, ‘clean eating’, where food was cooked from as few wholesome ingredients as possible and additives were to be avoided at all costs?

A couple of weeks ago I picked up a ‘ham and cheese’ sandwich in Greggs. It was only when I got home that I spotted my mistake. Take a look at the ingredients list:

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The stand-out ingredient for me was instantly the colouring, RUST! by any other name. At least you could honestly say it was fortified with iron. :nailbiting:
Not what you would call ‘unprocessed food’. Come to think of it, can anyone think of any food more processed than that shite?
 
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Ffermer Bach

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The stand-out ingredient for me was instantly the colouring, RUST! by any other name. At least you could honestly say it was fortified with iron. :nailbiting:
Not what you would call ‘unprocessed food’. Come to think of it, can anyone think of any food more processed than that shite?
The more processed food we eat, the more it affects our micro biome, and science is just starting to understand the implications for our health from an altered micro biome (such as increases in Celiac disease, Asthma, other auto immune diseases etc). We look back in shock at the Romans "flavouring" their wine with lead, I am guessing in the future they will think the same about all the processed, sugar rich food we eat!
 

Bill the Bass

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im a keen marathon runner, and have started running ultras this year. I'm amazed how many of the top endurance runners are vegan, easily 1/3 -1/2 of the top 10 100 mile race winners are vegan. its really pushed in all the running books and you tube videos.
My brother in law is a keen runner, he used to be vegetarian and for a short while considered becoming vegan. He now eats normally. Found he couldn't recover quick enough and had constant pains in his legs and back on a vegetarian diet. My other half used to be vegetarian too but gave it up because the fatigue became debilitating.

I'm no athlete or nutritionist, but it seems to me any diet that restricts intake of B12 wont be good for an active life - I suspect the vegans you refer to are heavily supplementing their diet.
 

primmiemoo

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essexpete

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im a keen marathon runner, and have started running ultras this year. I'm amazed how many of the top endurance runners are vegan, easily 1/3 -1/2 of the top 10 100 mile race winners are vegan. its really pushed in all the running books and you tube videos.
The top distance athletes are generally and need to be very light for a given frame size, and perhaps the vegan diet helps with that? The other thing would be good access to proper nutritional information and with it supplements, where required, for deficiencies. Only a guess on my part.
 

Exfarmer

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The top distance athletes are generally and need to be very light for a given frame size, and perhaps the vegan diet helps with that? The other thing would be good access to proper nutritional information and with it supplements, where required, for deficiencies. Only a guess on my part.
Actually if you look at a list of athletes who claim they are vegan there is only a couple I recognise, being Djokovic and Hamilton. However all, take all manner of supplements to ensure they are at the top of the game. Many it is known have taken other more dubious ones before getting to the top such as growth hormones and it is amazing how many are asthmatic so require the "necessary" medication
 

DaveGrohl

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Actually if you look at a list of athletes who claim they are vegan there is only a couple I recognise, being Djokovic and Hamilton. However all, take all manner of supplements to ensure they are at the top of the game. Many it is known have taken other more dubious ones before getting to the top such as growth hormones and it is amazing how many are asthmatic so require the "necessary" medication
Well quite, but then you're getting into the territory of that appalling Gamechangers propaganda film, which provoked huge debate a couple of years ago. Turned out some of the athletes were either only recently vegan, no longer vegan or had withdrawn from their earlier participation and had second thoughts about veganism.
 

Sausage

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There seems to be this view that if nobody ate meat the cattle, sheep, pigs, etc. would be fed and watered on farm and live a long life, hence it is ethical to not eat meat. We all know the reality of the situation.
 

Jackov Altraids

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There seems to be this view that if nobody ate meat the cattle, sheep, pigs, etc. would be fed and watered on farm and live a long life, hence it is ethical to not eat meat. We all know the reality of the situation.
Likewise, I think many people think 'rewilding' will produce a beautiful parkland with nature bobbing around like Disney's Snow White. This may happen in some areas but there could be a huge range of unintended consequences.
There are plenty of complaints to the council about small derelict sites now. I'm not sure how people will react to being surrounded by acres of 'mess'.
 

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