Explosion in Beruit

[PostHarvest]

I believe that most of the

These kinds of accidents are happening virtually all over the USA with alarming regularity.

Yes, the accident rate in the USA is ridiculous for a supposed modern country. In 2019, 38 people were trapped in grain bins in the USA resulting in 23 fatalities. Their rate of fatalities in general agriculture is nearly 20 per 100,000 workers per year, ours is currently 6 and that is still too high. The problem is that like food safety standards, their approach is completely the opposite to Europe. There, anything goes unless it is specifically forbidden.

 

[neilo]

Absolutely, but I suspect that many in our industry should not be throwing stones.

Not even after performing a written risk assessment? Bloody killjoy.

 

[JP1]

I believe that most of the

Yes, the accident rate in the USA is ridiculous for a supposed modern country. In 2019, 38 people were trapped in grain bins in the USA resulting in 23 fatalities. Their rate of fatalities in general agriculture is nearly 20 per 100,000 workers per year, ours is currently 6 and that is still too high. The problem is that like food safety standards, their approach is completely the opposite to Europe. There, anything goes unless it is specifically forbidden.

Same with their fire service (lack of) procedures. Too much gung ho hero etc . Look at the numbers of fire fighters falling through roofs etc, entering buildings for a quick dash without BA etc

 

[ollie989898]

Looking at some of the photos of the aftermath of the explosion, there seems to be a lot of formerly molten fertiliser on the ground but also rather a lot of bird feathers all around???

 

[SW1]

Interesting story re the ship and its cargo;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/x2iutcqf1g/beirut-blast

 

[DrWazzock]

Beirut explosion: Where else is ammonium nitrate being stored?

After the disaster in Lebanon, concerns are being raised about stockpiles of ammonium nitrate in other countries.

www.bbc.co.uk

BBC stirring it again. Yet another pop at legitimate practices with the intention of making it even more difficult for us to earn a living and provide affordable food supplies.
And a national advertisement paid for by the licence payer of where the stuff is stored in the UK. BBC really are irresponsible with the power they have. Time they were brought into line.

 

[Cheesehead]

Beirut explosion: Where else is ammonium nitrate being stored?

After the disaster in Lebanon, concerns are being raised about stockpiles of ammonium nitrate in other countries.

www.bbc.co.uk

BBC stirring it again. Yet another pop at legitimate practices with the intention of making it even more difficult for us to earn a living and provide affordable food supplies.
And a national advertisement paid for by the licence payer of where the stuff is stored in the UK. BBC really are irresponsible with the power they have. Time they were brought into line.

Of course they are like a lot media companies they are interested solely in getting clicks and reviews same as I believe someone had put how they kept going on about how the head of the NHS rang them to see if they had the number for Burberry to make ppe on their news bulletins on the radio then found it it wasn't the head it was an office grunt who hadn't even been asked to get their number when he contacted them to complain, so where it had been the lead story in the bulletins it was give a retraction buried at the bottom of some obscure page on their website where about a fluff piece from a different country.

 

[Hindsight]

Beirut explosion: Where else is ammonium nitrate being stored?

After the disaster in Lebanon, concerns are being raised about stockpiles of ammonium nitrate in other countries.

www.bbc.co.uk

BBC stirring it again. Yet another pop at legitimate practices with the intention of making it even more difficult for us to earn a living and provide affordable food supplies.
And a national advertisement paid for by the licence payer of where the stuff is stored in the UK. BBC really are irresponsible with the power they have. Time they were brought into line.

Did you actually read the article?

 

[DrWazzock]

Did you actually read the article?

I read the entire article. It’s inflammatory in my view. “An investigation has been launched....” into storage of ammonium nitrate at Immingham. Such turn off phrase would imply there is something dodgy going on there when there clearly isn’t. The article is yet another one designed sow mistrust in UK industry and agriculture into the public mind. The BBC churns out a steady flow of these articles drip feeding propaganda that suits their own left wing agenda into the public psyche and I’m fed up of funding it.

 

[Highland Mule]

Same wording used in many news outlets. You may have a gripe against the BBC, but it’s not legitimate to call them out on this occasion.

Storage of ammonium nitrate at Lincolnshire port under review

The blast in Beirut killed at least 158 people, injured around 6,000 and left 300,000 homeless

www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk

Beirut explosion: where is ammonium nitrate stored? | FR24 News English

www.fr24news.com

Yemen investigates reports of ammonium nitrate at port

Following Tuesday's tragic explosion at Beirut port, authorities have launched an investigation into the alleged presence of ammonium nitrate in Aden.

english.alaraby.co.uk

 

[Breakthru]

The flip side guys is that as soon as it happened our elf'n safety people are gearing up to have a purge on farm storage.
Unfortunately rightly in some cases.
Be advised. It might be better to store compound or urea in front of it to head them off. I think you will all be shocked by how little and how far from humanity you will now be allowed to store AN.

 

[Highland Mule]

The flip side guys is that as soon as it happened our elf'n safety people are gearing up to have a purge on farm storage.
Unfortunately rightly in some cases.
Be advised. It might be better to store compound or urea in front of it to head them off. I think you will all be shocked by how little and how far from humanity you will now be allowed to store AN.

No, don’t hide it. Store it safely and responsibly. The guidance is simple to follow and not demanding. Over 25tonne needs formally notifying to HSE and fire brigade, otherwise nothing beyond good practice.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Same wording used in many news outlets. You may have a gripe against the BBC, but it’s not legitimate to call them out on this occasion.

Storage of ammonium nitrate at Lincolnshire port under review

The blast in Beirut killed at least 158 people, injured around 6,000 and left 300,000 homeless

www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk

Beirut explosion: where is ammonium nitrate stored? | FR24 News English

www.fr24news.com

Yemen investigates reports of ammonium nitrate at port

Following Tuesday's tragic explosion at Beirut port, authorities have launched an investigation into the alleged presence of ammonium nitrate in Aden.

english.alaraby.co.uk

Bit of a none story in reality. You could cross out Ammonium nitrate and replace it with thousands of other potentially hazardous materials stored or transported through urban environments everyday.

 

[ollie989898]

Bit of a none story in reality. You could cross out Ammonium nitrate and replace it with thousands of other potentially hazardous materials stored or transported through urban environments everyday.

A total non-issue. I've been to Avonmouth and seen over 7000 tonnes of AN in a single heap, it was like looking at a huge cliff about 8 or so metres high. Just sat in a heap waiting for them to bag it using loading shovels. It's totally safe provided you don't have combustible materials anywhere near it. Given that the shed was massive and all metal, and the floor was concrete, with no other materials or even buildings near the place, the only thing I could see catching fire nearby would be a waiting HGV or a loading shovel, in which case you would either move it as far away as possible or leave it to burn and get the hell away.

 

[7610 super q]

Non issue it may be, but non issues tend to make it onto the RT rulebook.
Certificate for storing 10 T of fert for 3 weeks anyone ?

 

[Cheesehead]

Same wording used in many news outlets. You may have a gripe against the BBC, but it’s not legitimate to call them out on this occasion.

Storage of ammonium nitrate at Lincolnshire port under review

The blast in Beirut killed at least 158 people, injured around 6,000 and left 300,000 homeless

www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk

Beirut explosion: where is ammonium nitrate stored? | FR24 News English

www.fr24news.com

Yemen investigates reports of ammonium nitrate at port

Following Tuesday's tragic explosion at Beirut port, authorities have launched an investigation into the alleged presence of ammonium nitrate in Aden.

english.alaraby.co.uk

It is copy and pasted other than the last. The Local World news group do that for all their publications see Dave Gorman's comments on their Dogging stories on his Modern life is Goodish show. There appear to be few mainstream media outlets who actually research and write their own articles it doesn't matter who they all do it as it is how a lot of quackery is spread I believe Potholer54 has done videos on it on YouTube, I believe it wasn't that many years ago that the former editor of the Farmers Weekly was angry with the Daily Telegraph as they had copy and pasted one of their articles with out any acknowledgement and the by-line being cited as Daily Telegraph Reporter.

 

[Highland Mule]

It is copy and pasted other than the last. The Local World news group do that for all their publications see Dave Gorman's comments on their Dogging stories on his Modern life is Goodish show. There appear to be few mainstream media outlets who actually research and write their own articles it doesn't matter who they all do it as it is how a lot of quackery is spread I believe Potholer54 has done videos on it on YouTube, I believe it wasn't that many years ago that the former editor of the Farmers Weekly was angry with the Daily Telegraph as they had copy and pasted one of their articles with out any acknowledgement and the by-line being cited as Daily Telegraph Reporter.

That's understood, and kind of proves my point. News stories are syndicated and writers will sell to more than one outlet. Hence no reason to be angry at the BBC, when the same story is carried by them and plenty others.

 

[Yale]

Yes,how much plutonium stored at Sellafield?

 

[DealeyPlaza1963]

Bit of a none story in reality. You could cross out Ammonium nitrate and replace it with thousands of other potentially hazardous materials stored or transported through urban environments everyday.

Only all of those 'thousands of other potentially hazardous materials' would need to be and are legally stored or transported under far more stringent regulations than those UK farmers currently have to work under; The current historic UK agricultural exemptions are long overdue for a review and rightly so.

 

[DrWazzock]

Granny can buy, transport and store petrol. Nobody asks to see her storage premises or expects her to keep records.
The degree to which safety regulations are created and applied is to a large extent an inverse function of the effect they will have on the governments popularity ratings, hence they will have no hesitation to make life unnecessarily difficult for those people such as farmers who only make up a tiny proportion of the electorate while they will allow the masses to consume ethanol, race motorcycles on the roads etc even though these are activities that have killed more people than ammonium nitrate ever did.