Extase potential problems

[Jellyfarm]

Our first year of Exstase.
We have small(less than 1m) patches of blackened upright heads, but field still doing well(better than 9t/ha)
Very worrying if grown on frost susceptible land though or if the season did not play ball_- when does it ever!
J

 

[DRC]

I had hoped to save some for seed. Saw it as a replacement for Costello

 

[An Gof]

I had hoped to save some for seed. Saw it as a replacement for Costello

That was the plan here to save Extase for seed. Fortunately we are 50:50 Graham and Extase here. The plan was to move 100% to Extase next season. I will reserve judgement until cut but my plan at present will be 100% Graham. Too much risk growing inconsistent varieties.

 

[willy]

That was the plan here to save Extase for seed. Fortunately we are 50:50 Graham and Extase here. The plan was to move 100% to Extase next season. I will reserve judgement until cut but my plan at present will be 100% Graham. Too much risk growing inconsistent varieties.

Surley growing jusg one variety is a small risk on it own.

 

[David.]

I've ordered Costello to replace the Firefly I had planned, because I know it performs, and weighs like lead.
Upright feathery ears in Firefly, and another part of crop that looks well but disappoints.
Done 3 small bits of 2nd wheat so far, and not broken 2.5t/ac barrier yet.
See KWS = bargepole, here now. Their here today, gone tomorrow varieties are not worth the risk.

 

[An Gof]

Surley growing jusg one variety is a small risk on it own.

Yes it is, but we have many years experience of Graham and it has proved a very stable variety.
May require an extra £20/Ha over Extase on fungicide spend but that may be small beer. Jury still out.

 

[David.]

Extase will break down soon enough anyway, why risk it?

 

[CORK]

I've ordered Costello to replace the Firefly I had planned, because I know it performs, and weighs like lead.
Upright feathery ears in Firefly, and another part of crop that looks well but disappoints.
Done 3 small bits of 2nd wheat so far, and not broken 2.5t/ac barrier yet.
See KWS = bargepole, here now. Their here today, gone tomorrow varieties are not worth the risk.

I’m not sure generalising re any particular breeder makes sense?
Costello is ultra reliable, bred by KWS!

 

[robbie]

Kws varieties do seem to be short lived. Look at Oakley, fantastic then within a clue of years awful, Santiago similar, keilder, basset, barrel and siskin seems to have fallen by the wayside too.

 

[bankrupt]

The plan was to move 100% to Extase next season.

Similar dilemma, here.

Currently we're on 30% Graham, Extase, Exsept; 10% Diego - plan was for 30% Graham, 70% Extase.

Tempting just to clean up 100% Exsept, now it's run out of Royalties.

 

[Flat 10]

We had the black upright ears thing in skyscraper, one field being much worse than the other, similar soils all first wheat and similar drilling date, yield quite a bit worse. I assumed it was ear disease but now not so sure.

 

[bobk]

Makes you wonder how these varieties get recommended

 

[Phil P]

Well this thread has balls’d my plans up Have grown some Extase to save seed and replace skyfall, was going to be about 30% of our wheat acreage. Having second thoughts now which is a shame because ours has looked excellent all year and still does but not cut any yet. Could be to much of a risky variety by the sounds of things!

Hearing some good reports about Shabras so may have to try some of that instead?

 

[EddieB]

Many people on here growing blends? I think I might try a small plot this autumn, it seems to be a way of mitigating risk.

 

[David.]

I’m not sure generalising re any particular breeder makes sense?
Costello is ultra reliable, bred by KWS!

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
You are of course correct, but they do seem to get more than their fair share of Great White Hope short lived varieties up the list.
It was actually quite dispiriting talking to Agronomist on Thursday, unable to pick a single decent bombproof barnfiller that doesn't come without downsides.

 

[Nitrams]

Black erect heads can be found randomly here across diff varieties and locations but not as bad as last year and other years.last year was much worse. I put it down to late bydv infection which was evident at ear emergence showing with flag leafs going red and dying off.

 

[CORK]

I always get nervous when I see the headline "barnfiller"...!

I see a lot of mention of black ears which are standing straight up in wheat crops. In my experience, the most usual cause of this is BYDV. Not saying that it is the issue in this case but it does sound an awful lot like it. Usually more of an issue in early sown crops, crops in sheltered areas etc. BYDV in wheat is usually hard to spot before now. It can be in patches or just random plants. Grains will be shrunken in such ears.
The picture below is a BYDV infected ear in some spring wheat that I looked at during the week.

Finding a robust wheat variety is tricky. The softer varieties are usually the higher yielding ones as they have a large grain size but then they often are weaker on sprouting. If a variety is popular then it usually is grown on a large area which in turn increases the chances of Yellow Rust cracking its resistance. Costello is a great old reliable, not the highest yielding on the list but it is consistent.
Another which comes to mind was Cordiale.
If a breeder is lucky enough to have the ability to create a lot of varieties then it is inevitable that some of them will have a shorter life than others.
The climate here in Ireland is murder on winter wheat varieties, very few make it to the market. Our climate will lodge them, it will break Septoria resistance and it will make them sprout. Yellow Rust also seems to enjoy itself when it gets going here.

 

[teslacoils]

Few black heads here, but they are mostly secondary tillers that have been sprayed off.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Skyfall has never let me down.

Still rate it

 

[Hampton]

Well this thread has balls’d my plans up Have grown some Extase to save seed and replace skyfall, was going to be about 30% of our wheat acreage. Having second thoughts now which is a shame because ours has looked excellent all year and still does but not cut any yet. Could be to much of a risky variety by the sounds of things!

Hearing some good reports about Shabras so may have to try some of that instead?

I got on great with shabras when I had it. Replaced it with skyscraper which also yields