Extinction Rebellion and Farming

[Daniel]

It's 2019, and feelings and emotions are the new facts. We might not like it, but we have to deal with it.

Indeed, I identify as the next opening batsman for England and who can deny me the right to my own reality?

 

[Formatted]

So there is no such thing as fact, just feelings and emotions based on the rantings of a teenager who needs a hug and adults who care?

Sorry, Dan but the fact is climate change is real, we do need to reduce our emissions and we probably all need to eat less meat. The younger generation doesn't care about Brexit or the economy because they believe when they are pensioners there won't be a world for them to live in.

Extinction; is where they think the human race is headed and they are rebelling against that

 

[Formatted]

scaremongering if Extinction Rebellion and pointing out what measures are being taken.

They aren't scaremongering, the UK has signed up to carbon targets which we have to achieve by 2050, Extinction rebellion wants that to happen in 2025. It's not the issue they are debating its the time scale.

 

[7610 super q]

Someone....ideally the Gov , or the NFU needs to mount a massive 80's style campaign ( remember AIDS ? ) to lay out the facts to counteract this mish - mash of Facebook/ twitter nonsense. Unfortunately, huge swathes of supposedly intelligent people are falling for this sh!te. I look at some folks posts on FB with amazement. Posting about meat free Mondays to save the planet, followed by pics of their trip to Goodwood, watching hundreds of high powered cars burning fuel racing round a track, next post is about global warning, followed by pics of their latest trip to Vietnam.....

Folks need educating. And fast.

 

[Daniel]

Sorry, Dan but the fact is climate change is real, we do need to reduce our emissions and we probably all need to eat less meat. The younger generation doesn't care about Brexit or the economy because they believe when they are pensioners there won't be a world for them to live in.

Extinction; is where they think the human race is headed and they are rebelling against that

Noone denies climate change is real, the climate has been warming and cooling since long before the industrial revolution.

They should question to what an entire industry cooked up to tax the poor and transfer the profits to the pockets of the wealthy middle classes is going to help the situation.

I say that as someone with 2 x 50kw solar arrays, would we have installed them if they weren't subsidised by bill payers who have no chance of obtaining such an investment for themselves?

 

[Daniel]

They aren't scaremongering, the UK has signed up to carbon targets which we have to achieve by 2050, Extinction rebellion wants that to happen in 2025. It's not the issue they are debating its the time scale.

The target is the very definition if scaremongering! The UK has reduced its co2 emissions by 38% since 1990, in 2017 they were at our lowest level since the late 1800s, the UK is doing a great deal to behave responsibly.

The government by committing to net-zero has signed a blank cheque for ER protestors to demand whatever they want.

 

[Clive]

Someone....ideally the Gov , or the NFU needs to mount a massive 80's style campaign ( remember AIDS ? ) to lay out the facts to counteract this mish - mash of Facebook/ twitter nonsense. Unfortunately, huge swathes of supposedly intelligent people are falling for this sh!te. I look at some folks posts on FB with amazement. Posting about meat free Mondays to save the planet, followed by pics of their trip to Goodwood, watching hundreds of high powered cars burning fuel racing round a track, next post is about global warning, followed by pics of their latest trip to Vietnam.....

Folks need educating. And fast.

People are being educated ....... fast

...... by social media

The NFU seem to think it will all blow over and never really catch on it seems !

 

[Tarw Coch]

They aren't scaremongering, the UK has signed up to carbon targets which we have to achieve by 2050, Extinction rebellion wants that to happen in 2025. It's not the issue they are debating its the time scale.

My concern is how we meet these targets, is the country going to actually do something itself to reach these targets or is it going to have a few grand gestures and export most of the problem to other parts of the world?

 

[Clive]

My concern is how we meet these targets, is the country going to actually do something itself to reach these targets or is it going to have a few grand gestures and export most of the problem to other parts of the world?

Power and wealth on this planet are mostly connected to oil

For many extinction is a more palatable option than giving up their position of power and wealth so it’s not going to change without a BIG fight at some point

It’s going to take something like the peasants revolt of the French Revolution before anything REALLY changes ... maybe extinction rebellion are the begins of that ??

 

[Daniel]

Power and wealth on this planet are mostly connected to oil

For many extinction is a more palatable option than giving up their position of power and wealth so it’s not going to change without a BIG fight at some point

It’s going to take something like the peasants revolt of the French Revolution before anything REALLY changes ... maybe extinction rebellion are the begins of that ??

Post up the Autotrader links to your racing cars and range rover etc when you sell them.

You can keep the Defender and your wife can have a little run about for the kids but the rest of the cars have to go, anything else is environmental vandalism.

In fact, you can't sell them, you have to remove the engines and scrap them, to ensure the vehicles can never be used again.

 

[AGN76]

But who is brave enough to oppose this rubbish and say that just because you're 16 it doesn't mean you're right about everything. Indeed you're probably not right about anything, so pipe down and do some learning.

Clearly not our elected politicians, or our 'industry leaders'.

My mum was having a rant about this the other day when a 'young' girl was on the telly complaining about the treatment of that Greenpeace woman the MP chucked out. Absolutely no life experience, unable to see the bigger picture, had no real answer when asked what if she had acid in her handbag.
"Just a stupid girl, who has never been told she's wrong and now thinks everything she says is right!" is what mother observed!

 

[Exfarmer]

I have great sympathy with Daniel’s position. On social media the truth is very often completely trumped by a new politically correct truth.
Social media is international , it is driven by bloggers and others who may be promoting a truth they see it. It may indeed be correct in their country, which is often the other side of the world from ours.
I have been debating sugar consumption and obesity on another forum a long way from this one but regarding the UK. I found myself up against a Distinguished Swedish professor, a leading expert on pediatrics, who rubbished my position.
I had stated that UK sugar consumption had been falling for years, but obesity was rising sharply.
She refused to believe me reffering me to any number of studies and websites. It was only when another statistician entered the fray who stated that I was correct that she came down off her high horse and recognised that in fact the UK really has no correlation between the two.
In fact the figures suggest very plainly that not only is there no corelation but using the professor’s own arguments regarding the USA and DNA etc that sugar not only is harmless but may be positive in the fight against obesity. This totally up turns all the accepted arguments that you will see in the media today.
A bigger danger is that so many “facts” are circulating, many if not the majority of people have no idea of the separation of fact from fiction

 

[Clive]

Post up the Autotrader links to your racing cars and range rover etc when you sell them.

You can keep the Defender and your wife can have a little run about for the kids but the rest of the cars have to go, anything else is environmental vandalism.

In fact, you can't sell them, you have to remove the engines and scrap them, to ensure the vehicles can never be used again.

Without doubt I’m as big a hypocrite as just about everyone else is

That’s why is never going to change unless something makes us change

 

[Clive]

I have great sympathy with Daniel’s position. On social media the truth is very often completely trumped by a new politically correct truth.
Social media is international , it is driven by bloggers and others who may be promoting a truth they see it. It may indeed be correct in their country, which is often the other side of the world from ours.
I have been debating sugar consumption and obesity on another forum a long way from this one but regarding the UK. I found myself up against a Distinguished Swedish professor, a leading expert on pediatrics, who rubbished my position.
I had stated that UK sugar consumption had been falling for years, but obesity was rising sharply.
She refused to believe me reffering me to any number of studies and websites. It was only when another statistician entered the fray who stated that I was correct that she came down off her high horse and recognised that in fact the UK really has no correlation between the two.
In fact the figures suggest very plainly that not only is there no corelation but using the professor’s own arguments regarding the USA and DNA etc that sugar not only is harmless but may be positive in the fight against obesity. This totally up turns all the accepted arguments that you will see in the media today.
A bigger danger is that so many “facts” are circulating, many if not the majority of people have no idea of the separation of fact from fiction

It’s very easy to criticise and blame social media as the route of all modern evil yet politics and more traditional media don’t exactly have a great track record when it comes to the truth ! There is nothing really new here, in fact surely it could be argued that greater access to media gives more people chance to influence and inform where as in the past such “power” was only in the hands of a very select and elite few, today that power belongs to the people as extinction rebellion have demonstrated rather well recently in London

Who can we trust these days ? Who could we ever really trust ? Everyone has their own agenda (you sell sugar I guess ?)

I dislike the modem attitude that people who don’t agree with your belief or opinions are wrong, brexit has been a great example of this ! What happened to people just having different views and opinions and everyone being tolerant and respectful of differences ?

 

[Bury the Trash]

Theoretically all motor racing (unless its electric which would / will help development } should be stopped asap.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Are you suggesting that in order to save the planet, we will all need to drive Land Rovers? That is a scary prospect!

It's your only option!!!

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Theoretically all motor racing (unless its electric which would / will help development } should be stopped asap.

False , CNG is a viable option!!!

 

[FonterraFarmer]

People are being educated ....... fast

...... by social media

The NFU seem to think it will all blow over and never really catch on it seems !

Educated or indoctrinated? In order to educated people, you have to have accurate facts backed up with methodology and science not emotions and propaganda, unfortunately "social media" like Facebook/Twitter or the BBC /CNN and the like just doesn't cut it.

 

[Clive]

Educated or indoctrinated? In order to educated people, you have to have accurate facts backed up with methodology and science not emotions and propaganda, unfortunately "social media" like Facebook/Twitter or the BBC /CNN and the like just doesn't cut it.

It doesn’t matter - media and politics has always been opinion, propaganda or agenda based ....... long before social media or the internet even existed

 

[Bury the Trash]

False , CNG is a viable option!!!

Tried and Tested

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