Extracting Milk from Receiving Jar with NO Milk Pump

[Llmmm]

Had a fullwood diaphram milk pump on the abreast parlour in the `70s.

Had two double diapghram on a twenty unit where i worked

 

[Repeat]

We had a great double diaphragm pump on our dairymaster for 25 years although we did buy two second-hand from Glastonbury which we swapped about, so were never sure which ones we had on.
all the noise was in the dairy so enjoyable quiet milking, and they worked well with the plate cooler running constantly. but then we started getting issues with foam etc and we thought they were just too worn

so our engineer persuaded us to fit a centrifugal pump so we were like the rest of his parlours and he had spares , it will cure all your problems he said , myself and our herd manager we hate it.
we still have foam so now we have a cold return and the pump on variable speed is usually whirring away in the pit , with us watching the jar if we have two in the pit.

these monosine pumps look great reading the blurb you put up stj01 , are they expensive ?

 

[sjt01]

We had a great double diaphragm pump on our dairymaster for 25 years although we did buy two second-hand from Glastonbury which we swapped about, so were never sure which ones we had on.
all the noise was in the dairy so enjoyable quiet milking, and they worked well with the plate cooler running constantly. but then we started getting issues with foam etc and we thought they were just too worn

so our engineer persuaded us to fit a centrifugal pump so we were like the rest of his parlours and he had spares , it will cure all your problems he said , myself and our herd manager we hate it.
we still have foam so now we have a cold return and the pump on variable speed is usually whirring away in the pit , with us watching the jar if we have two in the pit.

these monosine pumps look great reading the blurb you put up stj01 , are they expensive ?

Our came as part of an expensive curd handling machine, so have not bought one separately. The machine itself was expensive, but the pump is a 3" with inverter drive so I am sure a cheaper one would do for milk pumping.
I am not sure about the story of centrifugal pumps damaging the milk for cheesemaking. I would like to see a taste test between cheeses made with and without centrifugal pumping. The worst thing about centrifugal milk pumps is the noise they make, with the crude impeller, compared to a non-hygienic version with a proper impeller.

 

[brettsacks]

Our came as part of an expensive curd handling machine, so have not bought one separately. The machine itself was expensive, but the pump is a 3" with inverter drive so I am sure a cheaper one would do for milk pumping.
I am not sure about the story of centrifugal pumps damaging the milk for cheesemaking. I would like to see a taste test between cheeses made with and without centrifugal pumping. The worst thing about centrifugal milk pumps is the noise they make, with the crude impeller, compared to a non-hygienic version with a proper impeller.

Hi, thanks for your input. It is not necessarily the impact on taste of the cheese (although this may be present) but it's the structural integrity of the proteins and fats and the impact that has on cheesemaking and yield. Ta

 

[sjt01]

Hi, thanks for your input. It is not necessarily the impact on taste of the cheese (although this may be present) but it's the structural integrity of the proteins and fats and the impact that has on cheesemaking and yield. Ta

The answer to that in our case is to use Brown Swiss milk with beta kappa casein, improves yield at least 10% over Holstein milk.

 

[brettsacks]

The answer to that in our case is to use Brown Swiss milk with beta kappa casein, improves yield at least 10% over Holstein milk.

Very true, cows play a huge part in this. We will be milking Red Poll, Gloucester and Northern Dairy Shorthorns. So... not a lot in milk volume but on a 100% forage based diet, we're hoping for real high quality milk

 

[sjt01]

Very true, cows play a huge part in this. We will be milking Red Poll, Gloucester and Northern Dairy Shorthorns. So... not a lot in milk volume but on a 100% forage based diet, we're hoping for real high quality milk

It would be interesting to find out where you are (it is always useful to have on your profile anyway) and to follow your progress, I know of one cheesemaker in Yorkshire with NDS, bot no others.

 

[Cowmansam]

Definitely won’t be much yield but should be good quality

 

[brettsacks]

It would be interesting to find out where you are (it is always useful to have on your profile anyway) and to follow your progress, I know of one cheesemaker in Yorkshire with NDS, bot no others.

Yes, we are in conversation with Andrew (in Yorkshire) and another NDS breeder up north.

We are based near Midhurst in West Sussex

 

[Real cool]

Yea dairy master used diaphragm pumps early days I think new Zealand idea.
Also weycroft mackford used compressed Air to move the milk on small installations
I remember Woking on them

 

[brettsacks]

Yea dairy master used diaphragm pumps early days I think new Zealand idea.
Also weycroft mackford used compressed Air to move the milk on small installations
I remember Woking on them

Hiya, yes, we're looking into compressed air I think. TH White, a dairy company based in Gloucester has a chap on their team who has worked on a system like this and we hope to work with him!

 

[Real cool]

Ha ha hope you got deep pockets when talking about T H White

 

[brettsacks]

Ha ha hope you got deep pockets when talking about T H White

Bang on again! We are purchasing a second hand tandem De Levaal parlour from a farm in Gloucester. We are based in West Sussex and because of the distance, our local agent won't touch it.
TH White are the only company that will take it on.
They are charging a lot but thus far they are offering a very good service... You get what you pay for? I hope.

 

[Real cool]

There is a chap down the road still using the weycroft mackford system but only 8 unit abreast the biggest problem is the claws they are different to normal

 

[Real cool]

Well we could have done that for you for decent money
We have 6 unit tandum good stall work available should you ever need
Adrian Moore from T H White used to sell loads of tandum parlours
But good luck anyway

 

[Real cool]

Where abouts in West Sussex

 

[brettsacks]

Where abouts in West Sussex

Near Midhurst

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

Bang on again! We are purchasing a second hand tandem De Levaal parlour from a farm in Gloucester. We are based in West Sussex and because of the distance, our local agent won't touch it.
TH White are the only company that will take it on.
They are charging a lot but thus far they are offering a very good service... You get what you pay for? I hope.

Have you tried WDSL ( Wooldridge Dairy Services) they are Gloucestershire

 

[brettsacks]

Have you tried WDSL ( Wooldridge Dairy Services) they are Gloucestershire

Yes, thanks. They don't have enough experience with Delevaal

 

[Real cool]

Really what is so special about De laval then