F**k business

Jackov Altraids

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
One of the main problems for national wealth creation in the UK is the reliance on the 'service' industries. They only circulate money and don't create it.
This wasn't such a problem until the digital age developed where money now passes through less hands and will reduce money in circulation.
The future has been brought to my attention by the hugely popular game Fortnite.
Instead of kids spending their pocket money in a shop, helping them, delivery drivers, manufacturers etc, they buy costumes and accessories for a character in a game with all revenues going straight to the developers.
Modern business is really going to f^ck up the way economies have been traditionally run.
 
One of the main problems for national wealth creation in the UK is the reliance on the 'service' industries. They only circulate money and don't create it.
This wasn't such a problem until the digital age developed where money now passes through less hands and will reduce money in circulation.
The future has been brought to my attention by the hugely popular game Fortnite.
Instead of kids spending their pocket money in a shop, helping them, delivery drivers, manufacturers etc, they buy costumes and accessories for a character in a game with all revenues going straight to the developers.
Modern business is really going to f^ck up the way economies have been traditionally run.
"Service" industries also known bullshite artists....:rolleyes:
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
no that's competition
just like the lad next door going out with dads tractor for 10 quid an hour you have to put up with it or get out of the job
I did but with my farm machinery,done a bit ploughing,power harrowing,muck spreading and tractor and driver hire. But once the young uns round and about started I down sized my tractor and let them get on with it.
How much is transport a ton these days? How much is a ton of hay?
How much for same 15yrs ago?
I will bet hay not a lot different but haulage is a lot higher
As a primary producer the input costs have all gone up but the price you receive has not gone up to match.
So I submit that everybody and everyone ie big business, fert manufacturers, machinery etc is going to screw you.
Well you don't think that they will let you keep it do you??
 

milkloss

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Farming isn’t just the average competitive business though is it? TPTB simply can’t allow food to become expensive on a global scale or there will be civil unrest especially in third world or developing nations. Look at the price of water coming out of our taps and how that’s increased, I saw a line saying double price in ten years and far more than inflation. Good luck doing the same with a tonne of wheat.

Our output price is suppressed for the greater good supposedly so you can hardly compare farming to other standard business models. So let’s get this basic understanding clear and discuss it and then move onto to what we do with no illusions.
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
One of the main problems for national wealth creation in the UK is the reliance on the 'service' industries. They only circulate money and don't create it.
This wasn't such a problem until the digital age developed where money now passes through less hands and will reduce money in circulation.
The future has been brought to my attention by the hugely popular game Fortnite.
Instead of kids spending their pocket money in a shop, helping them, delivery drivers, manufacturers etc, they buy costumes and accessories for a character in a game with all revenues going straight to the developers.
Modern business is really going to f^ck up the way economies have been traditionally run.

Yes, have watched my kids on games and likewise been interested in how the business model works. But the developers get the cash but what do they spend it on? Or do they just hoard the cash? Methinks they purchase Maserati's or hopefully UK designed and built McClaren F1s?? And producing such cars is in the traditional sense wealth creation model?!
 

milkloss

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Yes, have watched my kids on games and likewise been interested in how the business model works. But the developers get the cash but what do they spend it on? Or do they just hoard the cash? Methinks they purchase Maserati's or hopefully UK designed and built McClaren F1s?? And producing such cars is in the traditional sense wealth creation model?!

You’re assuming the Business is uk based and paying uk taxes. I bet it’s not.
 

Pond digger

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Location
East Yorkshire
The Telegraph, no less, runs with a report about the UK's Foreign Secretary's response to business's concerns over the failure of his Government to enunciate a plan for the country's commercial interests.

His simple expletive obscures a complex truth - over a period of 20 years, most Brits have lost any understanding or sympathy with national wealth creation. They, like Boris, understand and worship wealth creation on a personal level, but have lost sight of the truth that no man is an island: if the country gets poorer, we all (except Boris, naturally) get poorer.

I used to pin this on the expansion of the public sector and big business, which insulates its employees from economic realities.

But that's wrong - disdain for the public good is strongest in English agriculture which, rather bafflingly, largely depends upon its being a public good for its future survival.

You see it all the time on TFF: 'fudge 'em', 'I don't give a toss', 'bring it on', 'short term pain ' form a litany of contempt for prosperity from those who (in the words of a more rounded Tory) have never had it so good.

So next time you think to yourself 'the country has gone downhill', look in the mirror for the reason.
So no Welsh, Irish, or Scottish farmers vote leave then?
 

Jackov Altraids

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Yes, have watched my kids on games and likewise been interested in how the business model works. But the developers get the cash but what do they spend it on? Or do they just hoard the cash? Methinks they purchase Maserati's or hopefully UK designed and built McClaren F1s?? And producing such cars is in the traditional sense wealth creation model?!

Analysis of the last financial crisis and the following quantative easing showed that the "trickle down effect" was pretty insignificant and that most of the money created stayed within the greasy palms of those at the top.
Think of the billions being aggregated by facebook. That is almost entirely advertising money that would have been spread far and wide supporting thousands of jobs now sitting in a few peoples accounts. It doesn't trickle down. If transferred into bitcoin, it isn't even traceable.
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
You’re assuming the Business is uk based and paying uk taxes. I bet it’s not.

Yes, I meant to add that bit into my post. The business may well not be UK based. But McClaren is and thus provided McClaren can market theit product as the super car for an aspiring gaming software developer to want, rather than a Maserati, the cash will find its way back to UK where McClaren as a 'tradiotnal' maker of goods rather than online maker of godds will employ folk in Northampton and soon Rotherham and pay UK tax.

We (the royal we) on here often decry the modern world but my near neighbours son has a first and soon second degree in gaming software from Hull University. If I had my way all the farm subsidies would be spent in supporting Hull and similar universities in assisting software developers like him - and then in encouraging them to reside in UK for tax purposes even if like him he can do his stuff from any café / night club / beach where pretty girls hang out anywhere in the world that the weather or his mates choose suits - not generally Hull or Skegness I gather.

Best wishes,
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Analysis of the last financial crisis and the following quantative easing showed that the "trickle down effect" was pretty insignificant and that most of the money created stayed within the greasy palms of those at the top.
Think of the billions being aggregated by facebook. That is almost entirely advertising money that would have been spread far and wide supporting thousands of jobs now sitting in a few peoples accounts. It doesn't trickle down. If transferred into bitcoin, it isn't even traceable.

Hey ho - maybe they will take a liking to home reared Aberdeen Angus steak if not a McClaren F1. Must get boring just accumulating cash. But maybe explains why governments have to keep making more!! It rarely sits in my account long enough for me to count - and I certainly do not need an abacus to count it.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
The Telegraph, no less, runs with a report about the UK's Foreign Secretary's response to business's concerns over the failure of his Government to enunciate a plan for the country's commercial interests.

His simple expletive obscures a complex truth - over a period of 20 years, most Brits have lost any understanding or sympathy with national wealth creation. They, like Boris, understand and worship wealth creation on a personal level, but have lost sight of the truth that no man is an island: if the country gets poorer, we all (except Boris, naturally) get poorer.

I used to pin this on the expansion of the public sector and big business, which insulates its employees from economic realities.

But that's wrong - disdain for the public good is strongest in English agriculture which, rather bafflingly, largely depends upon its being a public good for its future survival.

You see it all the time on TFF: 'fudge 'em', 'I don't give a toss', 'bring it on', 'short term pain ' form a litany of contempt for prosperity from those who (in the words of a more rounded Tory) have never had it so good.

So next time you think to yourself 'the country has gone downhill', look in the mirror for the reason.

If the EU want to fall out with the uk we will simply become the worlds biggest tax haven and destroy their economy

Anyone who has ever visited Monaco, cayman, IOM etc will understand that tax havens do ok and people who live there have an economy WAY beyond their resources

Lot of hot air this Brexit stuff, a deal will be done, it will be done last min (as good deals always are) and within a decade it will be looked back upon as the best thing the uk ever did. As long as they have balls the uk holds all the cards here given what it could do to the rest of Europe at the stroke of some simple tax changes

But I also bet that 10 yrs from now there will be some saying it won’t happen and Walter will still be posting about what a disaster it will be !
 
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Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
Brexit = weaker pound = better exports = national wealth creation ✔️

How do you explain the German model.
You forget as pound gets weaker imports cost more so we have to produce yet more to keep level.
It was a treadmill that the governments in the late 20th. century could not wean them selves off.
Thew situation is going to be made far worse if as seems extremely likely the serious high tech work such as as Airbus , Rolls Royce, Marconi etc. leave.
Still at least if the pound drops enough, we will have the prospect that vacuum cleaner production may get moved back here, and minions on the minimum wage will put them together so the EU can levy a 20% tax on their export across the channel
 

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