Fake RSPCA people - Be careful....

[Anymulewilldo]

Look, I would never recommend anyone did anything nefarious but the only defence against these sorts of people is to appear to be borderline psychotic and one of those not-really-worried-about-the-law types.

Act weird, shout and look 'dodgy'. Take lessons from an acquaintance- everyone has one, I bet even Clive knows someone like this.

Unidentified vehicles- put a screw under their tyre.

I find a bit of grit off the road screwed into the valve cap works great. Work of a second and just carry on walking.

We had some do-gooders out as we’d been shooting pheasant at home. They came roaring up the track past the farm to accost us and threaten all sorts. As they left after being told quietly and politely too go away (all on film in case accusations were laid) quick phone call to brother too entirely block the track with the tanker, take it off, lock the yard gates and go home. 3 hours later when we had finished shooting and got back too the yard I was met by some quite irate people

Went and had brew and cake, checked cattle and sheds to make sure nothing was missing and went and moved the tanker.

Next day local bobby arrives, I’ve been abusive while holding a shotgun. Showed him film, explained events. He went off howling with laughter!

Had the “official” RSPCA here during the last snow. She had a picture someone had sent in of an “unhappy” looking sheep. I pointed out that in the blizzarding snow I was pretty confident I had several hundred unhappy looking ewes! Luckily she went off satisfied at that.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

So does that mean the police can bring the rspca onto your property against your wishes?
It’s not as if they’re qualified professionals of any description, I could see the point of bringing a vet

Yes, they can and do. I was reported by the local nosey cow for shooting Canada geese on our land. at the time we had a resident flock of 6-800. Next morning 2 plods and an RSPCA turn up to lecture me. I was in a bad mood that day so they got it full bore about the rules I was following regarding shooting pest species. Non toxic ammunition, clearing up the carcasses. Being well over 30m from the footpath. I showed them the video I took of her stood in the footpath swearing and shouting at the top of her voice while families walked past and suggested I should press charges for that.

On the way out of the yard the RSPCA man tried to have a bite back that I wasn’t cleaning up after the yard dog as he had 2 dog turds by his kennel entrance. Apparently a dog does 1 turd per day and I must clean up everyday! I pointed out that the amount our Sam eats he sh!ts at least 3 times a day, sometimes 4. I clean up at night as I haven’t time too follow a dog around with a sh!t shovel.


It’s a shame, the potential is there for them too actually do a really good job. They just seem obsessed in chasing small insignificant issues while ignoring blatant animal welfare breaches!

 

[Tarw Coch]

Yes, they can and do. I was reported by the local nosey cow for shooting Canada geese on our land. at the time we had a resident flock of 6-800. Next morning 2 plods and an RSPCA turn up to lecture me. I was in a bad mood that day so they got it full bore about the rules I was following regarding shooting pest species. Non toxic ammunition, clearing up the carcasses. Being well over 30m from the footpath. I showed them the video I took of her stood in the footpath swearing and shouting at the top of her voice while families walked past and suggested I should press charges for that.

On the way out of the yard the RSPCA man tried to have a bite back that I wasn’t cleaning up after the yard dog as he had 2 dog turds by his kennel entrance. Apparently a dog does 1 turd per day and I must clean up everyday! I pointed out that the amount our Sam eats he sh!ts at least 3 times a day, sometimes 4. I clean up at night as I haven’t time too follow a dog around with a sh!t shovel.


It’s a shame, the potential is there for them too actually do a really good job. They just seem obsessed in chasing small insignificant issues while ignoring blatant animal welfare breaches!

No, only in specifically named on a warrant, and even in that case you can usually meet them head on with a more suitable professional, let them make the muppet look daft, while you talk to the coppers or more likely they stand outside looking a bit awkward while you argue with the insipid c*ck w*mble 'inspector'.

I now appear to have two conflicting replies.
I’m not really surprised that they do, what I was wondering is do they actually have the legal power to insist an rspca Officer accompanies them if challenged or are they just winging it?

 

[steveR]

So does that mean the police can bring the rspca onto your property against your wishes?
It’s not as if they’re qualified professionals of any description, I could see the point of bringing a vet

Very good point. I've seen on TV these RSPCA people going into a house BUT with a police officer present, but no idea what the legality is even if a criminal act was being committed.

In law, are RSPCA employees any different than Mrs Bloggs down the street?




Later: I see above on @CopperBeech post, that if the RSPCA person in named on a warrant, than they can enter the premises with the Police, but I do wonder on what basis they have this "authority"?

 

[som farmer]

Very good point. I've seen on TV these RSPCA people going into a house BUT with a police officer present, but no idea what the legality is even if a criminal act was being committed.

In law, are RSPCA employees any different than Mrs Bloggs down the street?




Later: I see above on @CopperBeech post, that if the RSPCA person in named on a warrant, than they can enter the premises with the Police, but I do wonder on what basis they have this "authority"?

yes, they are different. RSPCA can bring prosecutions with out going through the CPS, a clause fanatically defended, not sure about a cop bringing an officer, could be as an 'advisor'? Farm animal welfare is getting into dangerous waters, officers know a tiny bit about cats and dogs, but nothing about farm stock, and as have repeatedly said before, what is acceptable/normal practise in farming, by the public, can be classed as cruelty, and this will continue to happen.

 

[JSmith]

Paws and claws pets rehome or similar on Facebook. I don't know how to put it on here and not even too bothered, just saying what I saw rather than expecting to be doubted.

I don’t doubt that you saw it printed on some scare mongering leaflet produced by some do gooding organisation that thinks there an authority on the working dog world, what I’m saying is that is totally fabricated bxllocks produced to fuel the misrepresentation of the working lurcher/terrier world!! An I say that because anyone who dare walk a lurcher or a terrier across a field with a spade on his back is either a hare courser or badger digger, supposedly!! Best to take a leaflet if you have to an wipe something up with it, that’s about as much use as they are!!

 

[roscoe erf]

Really? Bait dogs? Really?

Wtf are they fishing for

 

[Cowmansam]

I read today that nobody should give pups away as they are likely to end up as bait dogs.

You hear this all the time but I suspect it rubbish you very rarely hear of dog fighting and from what I have read in old books on the subject as I have a bit of an interest in the history of Stafford’s and the like that they always let them fight with another fighting breed as training and just spilt them up before any real damage was done can’t really see a big nasty fighting dog learning much of anything eating someone’s pet

 

[Dry Rot]

To be fair, the RSPCA (and SSPCA in Scotland) are probably duty bound to turn out if there is a complaint. I had one here being officious during lambing and he got the predicable reception. Later, after I'd cooled down, I thought to consult a friend who is the manager of the local abattoir, "Oh that's little Jimmie who used to be the Rentokil man. Phone him back and explain the position and get him back at a time to suit yourself as I know your place will be OK. He's harmless".

I did that and he turned up with an older man who clearly knew what he was about. In the intervening 24 hours, I'd gone around and made sure everything was OK. The tour went off well as I had a lot of multiples that year. The older man was from a farming background and suitably impressed. So impressed, in fact, that he gave me the letter of complaint they'd received (from a well known crank) to hand to my solicitor, something hey won't normally do. That went quite nicely too!

That little visit came in very handy because keeping a lot of dogs means there are always complaints. The next time I just told them they'd been and if they still had queries to go to the old inspector and ask his opinion as I really didn't want to be bothered. And, later, when I had to report an incident, I found the SSPCA very much on my side which made a nice change.

 

[PSQ]

Wtf are they fishing for

A lot of these FaceBook stories about 'bait dogs' are nothing more than click bait, people who should know better than to fish for attention.

My favourite is the monthly post about "horse thieves" tying a piece of twine on a gate, to mark the field for "when their mates come back later to steal the horse". You have to wonder if some people haven't evolved from the 1600's, the way people let their inner idiot out on FB you know they're only a cousins chromosome away from a witch ducking.

 

[Lili]

yes, they are different. RSPCA can bring prosecutions with out going through the CPS, a clause fanatically defended, n

I think thats just about to change. They were getting a lot of criticism for wasting donors money on court proceedings rather than concentrating on animal welfare

RSPCA plans to stop taking animal abusers to court privately

Charity says it will still investigate cases but responsibility for serious offences should sit with CPS

www.theguardian.com

(28th Jan 2021)

 

[roscoe erf]

I think thats just about to change. They were getting a lot of criticism for wasting donors money on court proceedings rather than concentrating on animal welfare

RSPCA plans to stop taking animal abusers to court privately

Charity says it will still investigate cases but responsibility for serious offences should sit with CPS

www.theguardian.com

(28th Jan 2021)

About time too

 

[Landrover]

Many years ago when I was just a small boy we had a donkey, a horrible bad tempered thing but was part of the furniture, it used to get an overgrown hoof on one of its legs and thanks to a local busybody the rspca would regularly check on it over the fence. The officer spike to my dad about it one day and dad told him to come at 10am tomorrow as he could help with the donkeys 6monthly feet trim, so next day the officer turns up and while putting the donkey in the cattle crush(the only safe way of doing it !) Kicks the rspca officer in the groin ! He agreed after that, that there is nothing wrong with the donkey !

 

[CopperBeech]

I now appear to have two conflicting replies.
I’m not really surprised that they do, what I was wondering is do they actually have the legal power to insist an rspca Officer accompanies them if challenged or are they just winging it?

No. They don’t. Unless the rspca have requested a warrant in which they are named

 

[CopperBeech]

I don’t doubt that you saw it printed on some scare mongering leaflet produced by some do gooding organisation that thinks there an authority on the working dog world, what I’m saying is that is totally fabricated bxllocks produced to fuel the misrepresentation of the working lurcher/terrier world!! An I say that because anyone who dare walk a lurcher or a terrier across a field with a spade on his back is either a hare courser or badger digger, supposedly!! Best to take a leaflet if you have to an wipe something up with it, that’s about as much use as they are!!

I have five lurcher type dogs in my kennels, five terrier types and three collies. I am the anti christ according to the rspca

 

[JWL]

I used to live and work on a farm where the Police College used to bring trainees out to get an idea of what to expect around badger sets. The instructors used to love it if I would be about when they were there. Old battered Land Rover, terrier in cab or at my heels, selection of shovels and grafts to hand in the back and often the 12bore or .22 in the front. Evidently I was an archetype of what a badger baiter would look like!

 

[Nearly]

Wtf are they fishing for

Catfish?

 

[Cowmansam]

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I have five lurcher type dogs in my kennels, five terrier types and three collies. I am the anti christ according to the rspca

have similar amounts here and have been known to walk in fields with a spade it’s like Britain’s most wanted haha

 

[JSmith]

C
have similar amounts here and have been known to walk in fields with a spade it’s like Britain’s most wanted haha

Yeah an then some twits dog gets stuck down a hole when there out for a stroll there ringing you up for advice or to come an help, then pat you on the back for rescuing rufus!! Bunch of cxxts

 

[CopperBeech]

I used to live and work on a farm where the Police College used to bring trainees out to get an idea of what to expect around badger sets. The instructors used to love it if I would be about when they were there. Old battered Land Rover, terrier in cab or at my heels, selection of shovels and grafts to hand in the back and often the 12bore or .22 in the front. Evidently I was an archetype of what a badger baiter would look like!

I notice these days that badger digging and badger baiting appear to have become one and the same ....... which obviously is not correct in any way shape or form.