Farm assurance cost

[bobk]

Tried that got arrogance back, which with me don’t work nowadays.

Change suppliers then . SAI Global are generally ok

 

[Drillman]

Change suppliers then . SAI Global are generally ok

That’s what I’m going to do

 

[Daniel]

sainsburys don't use red tractor.......@guysmith is now on RT payroll BTW.....is that him finished posting on here i wonder

Back in 2015 they were paying £35k a year for one days work a week apparently.

Nice work if you can get it.

Edit:

That may have been for chairing the entire racket, and I think maybe Guy is crops chairman, which pulls in a comparatively modest £10k plus expenses for 25 days work a year.

 

[spin cycle]

Back in 2015 they were paying £35k a year for one days work a week apparently.

Nice work if you can get it.

Edit:

That may have been for chairing the entire racket, and I think maybe Guy is crops chairman, which pulls in a comparatively modest £10k plus expenses for 25 days work a year.

two things occurred to me...1/ i wonder if guy will take his 'knowledge' gleaned from this forum viz farmers views on RT....2/ this + batters ad pitching for the 'commissioner' role in FW the other week......nfu top brass just a rites of passage to highley paid sinecure?

not that i give a feck TBH

 

[MrNoo]

For the first ten years or so after assurance was introduced I got the same price as fully assured grain for mine, lately I have to put up with a £3-4 discount, but it still isn't enough to make me want to put up with the extra costs MrNoo lists above.

I am loosing 100ac to solar so will be down to 450 and the costs will be the same, if I grow feed the gap closes between cost of being assured and loss through sales, would be circa 2.5-3k worse off if unassured, being mindful not all area is not cropped and not the most fertile dirt.

 

[DanniAgro]

I am loosing 100ac to solar so will be down to 450 and the costs will be the same, if I grow feed the gap closes between cost of being assured and loss through sales, would be circa 2.5-3k worse off if unassured, being mindful not all area is not cropped and not the most fertile dirt.

My area is less than yours and when you add in the general faff I feel it's better to forgo the difference.

 

[MrNoo]

My area is less than yours and when you add in the general faff I feel it's better to forgo the difference.

Snap, it's fine for the big estates where they maybe have a "bod" to do all this but when you're on you own it's just something else that has to be done, to add to the long list! It's getting petty now and will prob pull out

 

[Highland Mule]

I am loosing 100ac to solar so will be down to 450 and the costs will be the same, if I grow feed the gap closes between cost of being assured and loss through sales, would be circa 2.5-3k worse off if unassured, being mindful not all area is not cropped and not the most fertile dirt.

What do you value your time (£/hr) at in that calculation?

 

[Drillman]

Ok so is anyone able to quantify the cost/benefit of been assured/non assured?

say per 100 acre arable

and per beast for cattle,

sheep I’m told it’s not worth the hassle by several neighbours.

 

[Highland Mule]

Ok so is anyone able to quantify the cost/benefit of been assured/non assured?

say per 100 acre arable

and per beast for cattle,

sheep I’m told it’s not worth the hassle by several neighbours.

Depends who your customer is and what they want. My private box customers don’t care, and certain butchers will buy from the mart regardless - but there are some bidders who will sit on their hands when non-FA come into the ring. As a rule, that makes £5-15 a head (lamb) of difference, depending on supply/ demand.

I understand from debate on here that for combineable crops, the challenge is finding a customer, and there’s probably £5/tonne of premium for FA if all else is equal (which it rarely is).

 

[Northeastfarmer]

The whole thing is getting out of hand now

 

[Drillman]

Depends who your customer is and what they want. My private box customers don’t care, and certain butchers will buy from the mart regardless - but there are some bidders who will sit on their hands when non-FA come into the ring. As a rule, that makes £5-15 a head (lamb) of difference, depending on supply/ demand.

I understand from debate on here that for combineable crops, the challenge is finding a customer, and there’s probably £5/tonne of premium for FA if all else is equal (which it rarely is).

So basically the gains of been assured are marginal at best for smaller producers

 

[Highland Mule]

So basically the gains of been assured are marginal at best for smaller producers

Depends what your customer wants.....

 

[Drillman]

The whole thing is getting out of hand now

I think it started out as a very good idea checking for sensible things like lights in grain stores not having glass in them etc but has now sadly lost its way.

talking of glass, lights
with glass covers were banned years ago but no one yet seems to have cottoned on that (Just about) every farmers Tractor and loader have glass in the windows

 

[Northeastfarmer]

I think it started out as a very good idea checking for sensible things like lights in grain stores not having glass in them etc but has now sadly lost its way.

talking of glass, lights
with glass covers were banned years ago but no one yet seems to have cottoned on that (Just about) every farmers Tractor and loader have glass in the windows

I think it FA needs to go back to basics somewhat....some of the rules are now getting farcical

 

[ajd132]

nepotism, nfu, red tractor, ahdb. they all love it all and think everythings perfect. jim mosely wouldnt get a trouble maker into red tractor would he? so many people parasiting on our industry.

 

[DanniAgro]

Snap, it's fine for the big estates where they maybe have a "bod" to do all this but when you're on you own it's just something else that has to be done, to add to the long list! It's getting petty now and will prob pull out

Yes, that list is long enough without it being added to by pointless bureaucracy.
I haven't got the time to do the agricultural things, let alone the pointless ones.

 

[MrNoo]

I understand from debate on here that for combineable crops, the challenge is finding a customer, and there’s probably £5/tonne of premium for FA if all else is equal (which it rarely is).

But it offers zero premium, you're spouting the typical RT line, we get offered the market price, if no one was FA then this price would be the same. When it first rolled out they suggested (the carrot) that you'd be in line for more £'s per ton if assured. Like idiots we all signed up.
Re your last question, I work for free!!! I think if I truly costed it out at £/hr I would frighten myself. But then what would you charge yourself out for an hour?? A solicitor I spoke with recently was £333/hr, mechanics are £80-100/hr

 

[gone up the hill]

So what is @Guy Smith's new role/ job remit at the AHDB??

And more how many days a week is he actually working for them and what is he getting paid??

@Henarar Guy has sold his soul to the devil

 

[Highland Mule]

But it offers zero premium, you're spouting the typical RT line, we get offered the market price, if no one was FA then this price would be the same. When it first rolled out they suggested (the carrot) that you'd be in line for more £'s per ton if assured. Like idiots we all signed up.
Re your last question, I work for free!!! I think if I truly costed it out at £/hr I would frighten myself. But then what would you charge yourself out for an hour?? A solicitor I spoke with recently was £333/hr, mechanics are £80-100/hr

Of course it offers a premium - it's easier to sell, and thus you can get the market value for FA grain. Without FA, you have to work harder at selling and probably accept a deficit to FA. Whether you say there's a premium for FA or a deficit for non-FA doesn't matter - there's a delta between the two.

I wouldn't price yourself at what these guys are charged at either - the man in the job gets much less than that and has significant overhead to pay. Ask yourself how much you'd need to not be doing that/ what you'd pay to have time off.