Farm Assurance - Poll

Do you support Farm Assurance?


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Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
The benefit of RT is to prove, you have fulfilled as much as possible the legal obligations placed on YOU, for producing YOUR produce. Granted, not so much for feed wheat, but certainly for something which will end up in food.

The trouble is the legal obligations placed on us are more rigorous than imported produce. Yet our products (even with RT logo) are sold for the same price. There is no value added at all.
 

FarmyStu

Member
Location
NE Lincs
I asked what advantage as a producer of 10 month old store cattle would joining RT [ I would have to if they brought in WLA if I wanted to keep my customers] give me over how things are now, given that RT stores of that age don't make any more money than none RT stores
If I was you and I couldn't see a financial reason to join RT then I wouldn't join. I've advocated that position throughout this thread. It's a voluntary scheme. Don't join if it does nothing for you. I wouldn't.

If WLA comes in then you will probably decide that it would then be in your interest to join. But it will be your call. Until it does, I'd carry on as you are.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
If I was you and I couldn't see a financial reason to join RT then I wouldn't join. I've advocated that position throughout this thread. It's a voluntary scheme. Don't join if it does nothing for you. I wouldn't.

If WLA comes in then you will probably decide that it would then be in your interest to join. But it will be your call. Until it does, I'd carry on as you are.
so no advantage for me over the status quo and no advantage for anyone apart from RT if they bring in WLA
a money making scheme, join my club if you want to keep your customers
Blackmail in other words
and you can't see this
pathetic
 
Location
Devon
@gone up the hill , do you have anything positive to say about the industry you work in? Something to encourage people to buy British farm produce? Have you ever done anything positive for British farming?

Do you ever questions put directly to you?? Clear NO.............:whistle::whistle::whistle:

All you seem intent on doing is increasing farmers costs and red tape for NO gain for the farmer.. How the hell is that being positive for the industry??

Farm assurance ISNT voluntary, if your fhinshing anything over a handful of animals a year then you have no choice but be assured and quite clearly the RT company's short and long term aim is to introduce WLA and make you only buy assured feeds so if that's your idea of voluntary then you live in a very strange world!!

Very few supermarkets are not now using the RT logo on produce because take Tesco for example they label UK and NZ lamb in identical packaging and its all thrown in the same chiller space, reason they don't highlight the RT logo is because they want as little info on UK meat as poss so that shoppers will pick up a joint of the cheaper bought NZ lamb without realizing its not UK lamb until they get home.

Some 27 month old cattle were FA at sedge today, size of a 10 week old calve, plastered in sh!t, thin as a bone, makes a complete mockery of the whole FA scheme and the rules.

Being good at paperwork doesn't make someone a good farmer yet that is all RT care about and this basically sums up how useless the current scheme has become.
 
Location
Devon
Oh farmerstu I should add that if 90% of shoppers knew what the RT logo/ assurance rules stood for ( and ONLY 100% UK farm assured produce was allowed to be sold under the RT logo ) and the shoppers choose UK assured meats over imported meats/ produce and the supermarkets/RT company actively promoted the logo etc at the point of sale/ in media ads etc ( which neither do ) then I and 1000s more UK farmers would see the value of the scheme and get behind it.

Trouble currently is that the RT lot want more and more from us and we are getting NOTHING from the hassle/ extra expense of these rules in return thus why farmers patience is starting to wear very thin over the whole scheme.

Blame for this lies squarely at the RT company's doors and until they wake up and realize this then you will struggle to convince any of us of the merits of the RT scheme.
 

Condi

Member
Blame for this lies squarely at the RT company's doors and until they wake up and realize this then you will struggle to convince any of us of the merits of the RT scheme.

You say that, but all milling wheat is sold RT assured. So if you are a grower of any spec wheat without RT you dont have a customer.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Universal oil ruined a lot of engines .but if your happy to market universal carry on .I suppose marketing is not part of your brief

What's wrong with universal oil?!

Your straw isn't marketed as assured, does that mean it's no better than anyone else's...?! Or do you pride yourself on a quality product and value your reputation so as to maintain your customers?
 

FarmyStu

Member
Location
NE Lincs
so no advantage for me over the status quo and no advantage for anyone apart from RT if they bring in WLA
I think you'll find that the average consumer, if asked what assured meant, would naturally assume that it meant whole life anyway. As a consumer, I'd rather my assured beef was whole life assured. I can't imagine many consumers saying "oh as long as it was looked after for the last 60/90 days that's fine by me". None whole life assurance is a con. RT know it. It's just that there are lots of farmers against it for God knows what reason.

I can't believe that the supermarkets are happy with the situation. The sooner it happens the better as far as I'm concerned. Buying my Sunday roast that's got an assured sticker on it when it was raised in some hell hole of a farm and then finished on an assured one is not my idea of assurance.
 

chipchap

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South Shropshire
I think you'll find that the average consumer, if asked what assured meant, would naturally assume that it meant whole life anyway. As a consumer, I'd rather my assured beef was whole life assured. I can't imagine many consumers saying "oh as long as it was looked after for the last 60/90 days that's fine by me". None whole life assurance is a con. RT know it. It's just that there are lots of farmers against it for God knows what reason.

I can't believe that the supermarkets are happy with the situation. The sooner it happens the better as far as I'm concerned. Buying my Sunday roast that's got an assured sticker on it when it was raised in some hell hole of a farm and then finished on an assured one is not my idea of assurance.
If it meets the rules, it meets the rules.

Supermarkets would like whole life assurance, but know they would have to pay up to get it. So they'll go on as they are - paying rock bottom.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
What's wrong with universal oil?!

Your straw isn't marketed as assured, does that mean it's no better than anyone else's...?! Or do you pride yourself on a quality product and value your reputation so as to maintain your customers?
Every load that comes is assessed and marketed as such .but brands do help . Kent Hay and Straw for instance would be a top seller. Cotswold Straw a name you would need to avoid . I could put a Red Tractor on the invoice if you thought it would help but I would make sure I told the customer how much that had cost him
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Every load that comes is assessed and marketed as such .but brands do help . Kent Hay and Straw for instance would be a top seller. Cotswold Straw a name you would need to avoid . I could put a Red Tractor on the invoice if you thought it would help but I would make sure I told the customer how much that had cost him

Thank you.

That illustrates the point perfectly. Branding yes, RT no.
 

lim x

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Nottinghamshire
I think you'll find that the average consumer, if asked what assured meant, would naturally assume that it meant whole life anyway. As a consumer, I'd rather my assured beef was whole life assured. I can't imagine many consumers saying "oh as long as it was looked after for the last 60/90 days that's fine by me". None whole life assurance is a con. RT know it. It's just that there are lots of farmers against it for God knows what reason.

I can't believe that the supermarkets are happy with the situation. The sooner it happens the better as far as I'm concerned. Buying my Sunday roast that's got an assured sticker on it when it was raised in some hell hole of a farm and then finished on an assured one is not my idea of assurance.

And why would it be a 'hell hole' if it's not assured?? :mad:
 

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