Farm assured transport

[S J H]

A friend phoned earlier, he booked in 2 cull cows for a local abattoir, another farm assured farmer took them in for him with 1 of his farm assured cows. Now the abbatoir have discounted the 2 cull cows because they are not classed as farm assured

As I understand it they need to be hauled with your own assured transport or a registered haulier. Is this correct? It's this type of bullshite that gives red tractor a bad name.

 

[sherg]

A friend phoned earlier, he booked in 2 cull cows for a local abattoir, another farm assured farmer took them in for him with 1 of his farm assured cows. Now the abbatoir have discounted the 2 cull cows because they are not classed as farm assured

As I understand it they need to be hauled with your own assured transport or a registered haulier. Is this correct? It's this type of bullshite that gives red tractor a bad name.

I would of thought because the other farmer was farm assured it would be alright if his fa number would be on the movement
@JP1

 

[S J H]

I would of thought because the other farmer was farm assured it would be alright if his fa number would be on the movement
@JP1

That's what I thought, as long as the trailer was from a FA farm. But how do they know what trailer has been inspected? There's no mark, and I haven't known them to look at a serial number?

 

[Old Tip]

Last couple of times they have taken a photo of the trailer serial number when doing the inspection, but never had to write it down anywhere

 

[milkloss]

A friend phoned earlier, he booked in 2 cull cows for a local abattoir, another farm assured farmer took them in for him with 1 of his farm assured cows. Now the abbatoir have discounted the 2 cull cows because they are not classed as farm assured

As I understand it they need to be hauled with your own assured transport or a registered haulier. Is this correct? It's this type of bullshite that gives red tractor a bad name.

Page 14/15 in the link
http://assurance.redtractor.org.uk/contentfiles/Farmers-5613.pdf

As I read it it doesn't matter who draws them for you provided it is under 65kms otherwise tickets are required.

 

[milkloss]

Last couple of times they have taken a photo of the trailer serial number when doing the inspection, but never had to write it down anywhere

Never had that. Even our reg number doesn't match ours vehicles at the mo (I know, it needs sorting)

 

[S J H]

Last couple of times they have taken a photo of the trailer serial number when doing the inspection, but never had to write it down anywhere

Still makes no sense because how do the markets or abbatoirs know?

 

[Hummin-Cummins]

How local an abattoir is it?? Like @milkloss said under 65k should be fine

 

[S J H]

Page 14/15 in the link
http://assurance.redtractor.org.uk/contentfiles/Farmers-5613.pdf

As I read it it doesn't matter who draws them for you provided it is under 65kms otherwise tickets are required.

I don't know, I'll see someone from red tractor in a couple of weeks so I'll ask and let you know. According to the abbatoir I can't take my dads cattle in with mine or vice versa.

 

[S J H]

How local an abattoir is it?? Like @milkloss said under 65k should be fine

5 miles ish

This was 2 weeks ago, so it's all a bit too late, I just wanted to bring it to people's attention if it is a problem. I could have been caught out a few times.

 

[digger64]

A friend phoned earlier, he booked in 2 cull cows for a local abattoir, another farm assured farmer took them in for him with 1 of his farm assured cows. Now the abbatoir have discounted the 2 cull cows because they are not classed as farm assured

As I understand it they need to be hauled with your own assured transport or a registered haulier. Is this correct? It's this type of bullshite that gives red tractor a bad name.

Probably ,last year I bought some cows in good faith and sold to me like wise the owner was retiring cows had in date stickers on passport , pd cows sent barrens in with mine ,linked the land rented off him to my holding nabbattoir but before 90 days retention put my sticker in the passport although the cows never moved as advised by bcms both of us were fa with the same firm , the abbotoir docked his ex cows £60/head ,I asked why ? They said I hadnt had cows 90 days and they werent assurred turned out although that years fee had been paid by him he had telephoned the assurance co. as he wanted to stop the next years DD as no longer keeping cattle .I took this up with cmi apparently they phoned the abbottoir but were not prepared to compensate me personally I think the assurance co. was at fault though as the stickers were in date for both of us

 

[beefandsleep]

I offered to take a mates cattle foc. the livestock man at Woodheads said I couldn't as although I am assured and the wagon is inspected by RT if I took someone else's they would no longer be assured. He said it was fine by them but RT wouldn't allow it. This was confirmed by RT who then tried to sell me hauliers assurance the twonts.

 

[JP1]

I would of thought because the other farmer was farm assured it would be alright if his fa number would be on the movement
@JP1

I can see nothing in the RT standards that would preclude one FA farmer transporting another's FA stock.

I can see a pitfall if there is no way of documenting the combined transport if you're not a haulier or registered collection centre

 

[Northeastfarmer]

It all boils down to money....and how much they can get out of you and how much they can screw you for....the meat doesn't taste any better because the transporting trailer has a sticker on it...total p!ss take

 

[S J H]

It all boils down to money....and how much they can get out of you and how much they can screw you for....the meat doesn't taste any better because the transporting trailer has a sticker on it...total p!ss take

I'd never heard the friend swear until yesterday. One of the cows was 12 year old homebred, the other a 3 year old barren heifer.

 

[S J H]

I offered to take a mates cattle foc. the livestock man at Woodheads said I couldn't as although I am assured and the wagon is inspected by RT if I took someone else's they would no longer be assured. He said it was fine by them but RT wouldn't allow it. This was confirmed by RT who then tried to sell me hauliers assurance the twonts.

That's how I understand the situation. So you need to be an approved haulier not just an approved farmer.

 

[S J H]

Probably ,last year I bought some cows in good faith and sold to me like wise the owner was retiring cows had in date stickers on passport , pd cows sent barrens in with mine ,linked the land rented off him to my holding nabbattoir but before 90 days retention put my sticker in the passport although the cows never moved as advised by bcms both of us were fa with the same firm , the abbotoir docked his ex cows £60/head ,I asked why ? They said I hadnt had cows 90 days and they werent assurred turned out although that years fee had been paid by him he had telephoned the assurance co. as he wanted to stop the next years DD as no longer keeping cattle .I took this up with cmi apparently they phoned the abbottoir but were not prepared to compensate me personally I think the assurance co. was at fault though as the stickers were in date for both of us

I think they could have easily turned a blind eye on this one, but they don't seem to of helped out. They only knew what had happened in the afternoon when it was too late.

 

[milkloss]

I offered to take a mates cattle foc. the livestock man at Woodheads said I couldn't as although I am assured and the wagon is inspected by RT if I took someone else's they would no longer be assured. He said it was fine by them but RT wouldn't allow it. This was confirmed by RT who then tried to sell me hauliers assurance the twonts.

If that's the case I'd like to see someone find it stated in the rule book I posted above. Is if that the abbatoir can't take them (their assurance). Or the fact the farmer can't send them?

 

[matthew]

Last couple of times they have taken a photo of the trailer serial number when doing the inspection, but never had to write it down anywhere

Dawn want the trailer serial number on their paperwork.

I can see nothing in the RT standards that would preclude one FA farmer transporting another's FA stock.

I can see a pitfall if there is no way of documenting the combined transport if you're not a haulier or registered collection centre

Pedantic. If the trailer is FA then it's FA, no matter what's in it.

It all boils down to money....and how much they can get out of you and how much they can screw you for....the meat doesn't taste any better because the transporting trailer has a sticker on it...total p!ss take

Money - but for whom? If the farmers who pay up and operate the berluddy scheme are rolled over by those who are alleged to benefit?

(I'm in snarl mode at the moment, drowning in plans and paperwork for an inspection on Wednesday. )

 

[llamedos]

Is this the relevant section? last column seems to infer the farmer unless in NI may only transport his/her own