Farm assured transport

Discussion in 'Livestock & Forage' started by S J H, Mar 20, 2017.

  1. S J H

    S J H Member

    Location:
    Bedfordshire
    A friend phoned earlier, he booked in 2 cull cows for a local abattoir, another farm assured farmer took them in for him with 1 of his farm assured cows. Now the abbatoir have discounted the 2 cull cows because they are not classed as farm assured :scratchhead:

    As I understand it they need to be hauled with your own assured transport or a registered haulier. Is this correct? It's this type of bullshite that gives red tractor a bad name.
     
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  2. sherg

    sherg Member

    Location:
    shropshire
    I would of thought because the other farmer was farm assured it would be alright if his fa number would be on the movement
    @JP1
     
  3. S J H

    S J H Member

    Location:
    Bedfordshire
    That's what I thought, as long as the trailer was from a FA farm. But how do they know what trailer has been inspected? There's no mark, and I haven't known them to look at a serial number?
     
  4. Old Tip

    Old Tip Member

    Location:
    Cumbria
    Last couple of times they have taken a photo of the trailer serial number when doing the inspection, but never had to write it down anywhere
     
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  5. milkloss

    milkloss Member

    Location:
    East Sussex
    Page 14/15 in the link
    http://assurance.redtractor.org.uk/contentfiles/Farmers-5613.pdf

    As I read it it doesn't matter who draws them for you provided it is under 65kms otherwise tickets are required.
     
  6. milkloss

    milkloss Member

    Location:
    East Sussex
    Never had that. Even our reg number doesn't match ours vehicles at the mo (I know, it needs sorting)
     
  7. S J H

    S J H Member

    Location:
    Bedfordshire
    Still makes no sense because how do the markets or abbatoirs know?
     
  8. How local an abattoir is it?? Like @milkloss said under 65k should be fine
     
  9. S J H

    S J H Member

    Location:
    Bedfordshire
    I don't know, I'll see someone from red tractor in a couple of weeks so I'll ask and let you know. According to the abbatoir I can't take my dads cattle in with mine or vice versa.
     
  10. S J H

    S J H Member

    Location:
    Bedfordshire
    5 miles ish

    This was 2 weeks ago, so it's all a bit too late, I just wanted to bring it to people's attention if it is a problem. I could have been caught out a few times.
     
  11. digger64

    digger64 Member

    Probably ,last year I bought some cows in good faith and sold to me like wise the owner was retiring cows had in date stickers on passport , pd cows sent barrens in with mine ,linked the land rented off him to my holding nabbattoir but before 90 days retention put my sticker in the passport although the cows never moved as advised by bcms both of us were fa with the same firm , the abbotoir docked his ex cows £60/head ,I asked why ? They said I hadnt had cows 90 days and they werent assurred turned out although that years fee had been paid by him he had telephoned the assurance co. as he wanted to stop the next years DD as no longer keeping cattle .I took this up with cmi apparently they phoned the abbottoir but were not prepared to compensate me personally I think the assurance co. was at fault though as the stickers were in date for both of us
     
  12. beefandsleep

    beefandsleep Member

    Location:
    Staffordshire
    I offered to take a mates cattle foc. the livestock man at Woodheads said I couldn't as although I am assured and the wagon is inspected by RT if I took someone else's they would no longer be assured. He said it was fine by them but RT wouldn't allow it. This was confirmed by RT who then tried to sell me hauliers assurance the twonts.
     
  13. JP1

    JP1 Member

    I can see nothing in the RT standards that would preclude one FA farmer transporting another's FA stock.

    I can see a pitfall if there is no way of documenting the combined transport if you're not a haulier or registered collection centre
     
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  14. Northeastfarmer

    Location:
    Cleveland
    It all boils down to money....and how much they can get out of you and how much they can screw you for....the meat doesn't taste any better because the transporting trailer has a sticker on it...total p!ss take
     
  15. S J H

    S J H Member

    Location:
    Bedfordshire
    I'd never heard the friend swear until yesterday. One of the cows was 12 year old homebred, the other a 3 year old barren heifer. (n)
     
  16. S J H

    S J H Member

    Location:
    Bedfordshire
    That's how I understand the situation. So you need to be an approved haulier not just an approved farmer.
     
  17. S J H

    S J H Member

    Location:
    Bedfordshire
    I think they could have easily turned a blind eye on this one, but they don't seem to of helped out. They only knew what had happened in the afternoon when it was too late.
     
  18. milkloss

    milkloss Member

    Location:
    East Sussex
    If that's the case I'd like to see someone find it stated in the rule book I posted above. Is if that the abbatoir can't take them (their assurance). Or the fact the farmer can't send them?
     
  19. matthew

    matthew Member

    Dawn want the trailer serial number on their paperwork.

    Pedantic. If the trailer is FA then it's FA, no matter what's in it.

    Money - but for whom? If the farmers who pay up and operate the berluddy scheme are rolled over by those who are alleged to benefit?

    (I'm in snarl mode at the moment, drowning in plans and paperwork for an inspection on Wednesday. :banghead: )
     
  20. llamedos

    llamedos Staff Member

    Location:
    Oop North ish
    Is this the relevant section?:unsure: last column seems to infer the farmer unless in NI may only transport his/her own

    rta transport.JPG
     
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