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manhill

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Got some loose change, lots of jobs outstanding, would love to relieve Gov.of some of its benefits burden. Now the problem is; I don't want more paperwork or insurance charges or clipboard jockeys.
How about the Gov. handles all that and I 'lend' the farm to them and pay the worker's benefit? in return, I get the work done.

I can always dream I suppose but it's crazy that there's work to be done, people getting paid for doing nothing.
Alternative solutions welcome!
 

Classichay

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
West Midlands
Think all you’d end up with is your workshop gutted and a lot of people kicking their heels saying it’s too hard and need a sit down sadly, I think we’ve let a generation slip into this mentality I don’t say this lightly and it’s sad as a lot of guys and girls I went to school with just had no “drive or get up and at em’” spirit because their parents were the same. And now universal credit is under scrutiny, if they wanted to work before the crisis they would have done surely. I guess it’s how your brought up as many of us have been lucky enough to know the reward of hard work and the ability to problem solve not await rescue the moment it gets slightly tough,
 
Location
southwest
Got some loose change, lots of jobs outstanding, would love to relieve Gov.of some of its benefits burden. Now the problem is; I don't want more paperwork or insurance charges or clipboard jockeys.
How about the Gov. handles all that and I 'lend' the farm to them and pay the worker's benefit? in return, I get the work done.

I can always dream I suppose but it's crazy that there's work to be done, people getting paid for doing nothing.
Alternative solutions welcome!
You have a bad attitude, I pity anyone unfortunate enough to have to work for you.

There have been lots of Govt schemes in the past that just provide business with cheap labour, get the unemployment numbers down in the short term, but ultimately benefit no one. Sounds like you want a slave, nor someone who will help support the growth of your business.

Why is it wrong for people out of work to get support, but right for you to get cheap labour to support your business?
 

manhill

Member
You have a bad attitude, I pity anyone unfortunate enough to have to work for you.

There have been lots of Govt schemes in the past that just provide business with cheap labour, get the unemployment numbers down in the short term, but ultimately benefit no one. Sounds like you want a slave, nor someone who will help support the growth of your business.

Why is it wrong for people out of work to get support, but right for you to get cheap labour to support your business?
Work is good for mind and spirit. Sloth is a curse. A scheme that benefits all has got to be good!
 
Work is good for the mind I agree, provided it is varied and not dull as dishwater all the time. I'm not sure I would be comfortable with having people on farm in an environment that is totally alien to them. Farms are inherently more dangerous workplaces than some others with a lot of things around that can pose a risk to the uninitiated.
 

Classichay

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
West Midlands
Work is good for the mind I agree, provided it is varied and not dull as dishwater all the time. I'm not sure I would be comfortable with having people on farm in an environment that is totally alien to them. Farms are inherently more dangerous workplaces than some others with a lot of things around that can pose a risk to the uninitiated.
Not to tar with the brush but the risk of a claim against yourself or your business increases with having unswitched on staff around kit not sure I’d as much ask my mechanic neighbour drive a tractor than an unknown entity with no experience hence we have ag colleges and training certification who would pay that for them to clear off after a week or so?
 
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manhill

Member
Lots of unskilled work do that is no more hazardous than home maintenance jobs. Painting,weeding, fencing etc, only the farmer gets to operate the machines.
 
Location
southwest
Work is good for mind and spirit. Sloth is a curse. A scheme that benefits all has got to be good!

Are you William Rees-Mogg?

If not, you seem to share his belief in outdated "Victorian Values"

Fail to see how working for you for no monetary benefit to due menial tasks is going to help the unemployed. If someone is unemployed and wants to work for free, there's plenty of volunteer/charity work they can do-at least they might be helping someone in need rather than a business that's too tight to pay a wage.
 

manhill

Member
Are you William Rees-Mogg?

If not, you seem to share his belief in outdated "Victorian Values"

Fail to see how working for you for no monetary benefit to due menial tasks is going to help the unemployed. If someone is unemployed and wants to work for free, there's plenty of volunteer/charity work they can do-at least they might be helping someone in need rather than a business that's too tight to pay a wage.
Of course they'd be paid, and on top of that they'd get plenty of fresh air and exercise, no need to go to the gym and they'd soon have physiques like the those East European workers that come here.
 
Location
southwest
Of course they'd be paid, and on top of that they'd get plenty of fresh air and exercise, no need to go to the gym and they'd soon have physiques like the those East European workers that come here.
So would you pay them a fair wage? Then why not just advertise the jobs you want doing?

When you get a poor price for something, do you take into account that in the course of producing it, you got free exercise and lots of fresh air?


No wonder farmers can't get staff
 
Work is good for mind and spirit. Sloth is a curse. A scheme that benefits all has got to be good!
Arbeit macht frei?

I think I've heard that before...


Lots of unskilled work to do... Painting,weeding, fencing etc,
I've seen a fence that was built by unskilled people. It looked like Stevie Wonder had built it on a Friday afternoon.

Why not get an agency to send you some Lithuanians for a week?
 

Goweresque

Member
Location
North Wilts
You have a bad attitude, I pity anyone unfortunate enough to have to work for you.

There have been lots of Govt schemes in the past that just provide business with cheap labour, get the unemployment numbers down in the short term, but ultimately benefit no one. Sounds like you want a slave, nor someone who will help support the growth of your business.

Why is it wrong for people out of work to get support, but right for you to get cheap labour to support your business?
Where did he say he wanted cheap labour? He said he wanted stuff done, and was prepared to pay, but didn't want the hassle of all the paperwork and regulations that being an employer entails.

I'm sure plenty of small businesses are in the same boat. Quite able to afford a well paid employee, but can't face the sh*t storm that descends on your head the moment you employ someone. So they don't, depriving someone of a well paid job, and probably the Treasury of more tax revenue as well (plus the cost of paying someone benefits to boot).

IMO small employers (say under 5 employees) should be exempt form all employment law. It should be down to the individuals concerned to negotiate and agree terms of employment, the State should have no say in it.
 
I belong to a ‘ groupement d’employeurs’ basically a machinery ring for employment. I share an employee with an olive coop, so he does 9 months with me and 3 on the olives.
The Employers group does all the admin, we send in monthly timesheets and they work it out. It costs a couple of euros an hour. We pay pro rata for each hour worked holidays etc covered. All the employers obligations are handled professionally, h+s is still up to us.
It’s been a great system for us, and for our worker.
It’s very hard to build a life around seasonal work, and we live in a high unemployment area.
At this end of the employment scale, manual field labour, many of the people find it difficult to navigate life, and add in the seasonality and the complications of benefits you can see why some are afraid to leave the certainty of benefits.
Employment isn’t just getting the job done, it can be a way of helping those born without our advantages.
 

delilah

Member
New Govt 'kickback' scheme, take someone on the system pays their wage for 6 months, smallprint is you need to take on 30 people, there's hubs springing up to coordinate this and pool the 30 under one umbrella so you only have 2 if that's all you want.
Something for any farming coops, machinery rings etc that folks belong to should look at mebe ?

Also, if you can attach a community benefit angle to the job - clearing footpaths etc - get in touch with local Probation service, we use them lots, get skilled guys as well as less so.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
I belong to a ‘ groupement d’employeurs’ basically a machinery ring for employment. I share an employee with an olive coop, so he does 9 months with me and 3 on the olives.
The Employers group does all the admin, we send in monthly timesheets and they work it out. It costs a couple of euros an hour. We pay pro rata for each hour worked holidays etc covered. All the employers obligations are handled professionally, h+s is still up to us.
It’s been a great system for us, and for our worker.
It’s very hard to build a life around seasonal work, and we live in a high unemployment area.
At this end of the employment scale, manual field labour, many of the people find it difficult to navigate life, and add in the seasonality and the complications of benefits you can see why some are afraid to leave the certainty of benefits.
Employment isn’t just getting the job done, it can be a way of helping those born without our advantages.
Yet another good idea from france
Especially these days with self employed workers. treated like lepers by banks
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Got some loose change, lots of jobs outstanding, would love to relieve Gov.of some of its benefits burden. Now the problem is; I don't want more paperwork or insurance charges or clipboard jockeys.
How about the Gov. handles all that and I 'lend' the farm to them and pay the worker's benefit? in return, I get the work done.

I can always dream I suppose but it's crazy that there's work to be done, people getting paid for doing nothing.
Alternative solutions welcome!

The good old traditional option seems obvious 🤷‍♂️ .
They continue to sign on and you pay them cash, as long as there’s a good “get away” if any inspectors come by(y)
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
Got some loose change, lots of jobs outstanding, would love to relieve Gov.of some of its benefits burden. Now the problem is; I don't want more paperwork or insurance charges or clipboard jockeys.
How about the Gov. handles all that and I 'lend' the farm to them and pay the worker's benefit? in return, I get the work done.

I can always dream I suppose but it's crazy that there's work to be done, people getting paid for doing nothing.
Alternative solutions welcome!
Why not just use an agency for casual staff? I thought that's how most of those needing temp workers did it?
Self employed worker?
 

manhill

Member
Just get a young person self employed.
I have 3 I can call on depending on their availability. One does 2-3 days every week for me now.
They just send you an invoice, you pay it, nae bother.
That's a simple system from the hirer's viewpoint and fine if you can get self employed casuals.
I still want to get lazy bones out of their beds and earning instead of claiming.
 

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