- Location
- South West
Same here. Bleady shame tho.
Farm Plastic
- Thread starter Beef farmer
- Start date
Best thing I did was roof silage pit .Bliss now clean dry sheet to roll back and use for side sheets next year .Thanks CSF
- Location
- East Sussex
gone up the hill
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- Location
- Devon
MVF are stopping it because the world wide market for it has collapsed @AndrewM and apparently all the company's that now charge for taking it have stopped or about to stop for the same reason.
Rather bags the question what FA will now do?? as if they give out notices because you haven't got a waste ticket then within 12/18 months they wont have any members left as hardly anyone will be able to get the paperwork.
Homesy
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- Location
- North West Devon
I have a skip from Viridor. All goes in that along with the rest of the rubbish. Collected once a fortnight. Not cheap but easy.
The whole thing is bonkers. We used to have a good fire once in a while, far less environmentally damaging. Even my auditor thought that was a better idea but told me not to dare do it.
The whole thing is bonkers. We used to have a good fire once in a while, far less environmentally damaging. Even my auditor thought that was a better idea but told me not to dare do it.
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
I was under the impression they melt the rubber tyres down and use it to make road tarmac.
Which on checking again via Google they do.
However I came across Sapphire Energy in the same Google search who do exactly as you say!
- Location
- Eastern Ontario Canada
One of these being built near me. More of this needs to be done. Change a waste material into valuable commodity. Could get to the point were you could get paid for the waste.
Small versions of the process machines, 3 ton per day. Form a co-op and get your own.
https://www.recorder.ca/news/local-news/new-plant-slated-for-johnstown
http://bblenergy.com/plastic-to-oil/
Small versions of the process machines, 3 ton per day. Form a co-op and get your own.
https://www.recorder.ca/news/local-news/new-plant-slated-for-johnstown
http://bblenergy.com/plastic-to-oil/
The "Recorder" article above quotes that a plant is "due to open in Wales ..within weeks" and was dated Oct 18! Does anybody know anything about it?
InsuranceLadyAmanda
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- Location
- Framlingham
Hi all my father in law is able to source a machine capable of cooking ANY plastic waste and timber etc and turning it into Diesel or Crude Oil (user selects).
The smallest model takes 1 ton of waste at a time and takes 8 hours to process it leaving a small amount of waste carbon.
I really like the idea but am wondering realistically how many tonnes of waste a farm may potentially have on a year to try to work out the viability of farms having their own equipment on site vs providing a drop off site or a mobile or hire service.
Think it would be nicer to processs the fly tipped tyres and turn them to useable fuel than pay for skips and possibly make an insurance claim.
Could anyone help with very approximate amounts of waste you may have typically?
The smallest model takes 1 ton of waste at a time and takes 8 hours to process it leaving a small amount of waste carbon.
I really like the idea but am wondering realistically how many tonnes of waste a farm may potentially have on a year to try to work out the viability of farms having their own equipment on site vs providing a drop off site or a mobile or hire service.
Think it would be nicer to processs the fly tipped tyres and turn them to useable fuel than pay for skips and possibly make an insurance claim.
Could anyone help with very approximate amounts of waste you may have typically?
- Location
- Leicester/England
Sorry to be the one that brings it up, but, you will need a permit to operate a pyrolysis operation. Under 3t/hr it's a Local Authority permit, above that it's an EA permit, in England as Scotland has different thresholds. Permit costs about £3300 and emissions monitoring equipment £70000 approximately.
InsuranceLadyAmanda
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- Location
- Framlingham
Hi thank you for your response. Permit cost is ok it is the emissions monitoring cost that is a killer!
InsuranceLadyAmanda
Member
- Location
- Framlingham
We have costed up a fixed site locally as a larger plant but were just wondering if plastic is an issue if we could help with a solution.
- Location
- Leicester/England
It is. and that doesn't include the cost of the quarterly extractive monitoring that has to be done. You will probably need planning as well. Emissions modelling for the permit application is around £5500 also. It's not a cheap option, but the demand is there. I work with three companies looking at these operations, but the time it takes to get a permit issued these days is getting beyond a joke....
- Location
- Leicester/England
Plastic is a huge issue, especially the low/no value stuff. There's always options, I have a client who may have the solution to contaminated plastic, I'm just awaiting machine details.
InsuranceLadyAmanda
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- Location
- Framlingham
Our machine can cook contaminated plastic too infact anything really and the gas emitted can be used to power the machine itself or go to grid as energy.
So exciting
- Location
- Leicester/England
From experience, as clean as you can get the feedstock the better as it produces a better quality fuel, still a waste, and gas, still a waste. Tyres are better crumbed before putting in to the chamber to remove the wire and nylon.
It may be beneficial to ask the supplier what permitting and monitoring requirements they suggest. I'm happy to answer questions by PM if needed.
Homesy
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- Location
- North West Devon
Great idea but unfortunately the EU prohibit turning waste plastic into deisel. They'd sooner dump it in the third world.
- Location
- Leicester/England
I'm afraid they don't. Have a look here https://ciwm-journal.co.uk/new-regulations-to-incentivise-renewable-fuels-from-waste/
- Location
- cornwall
So, looking at your discussion, there is the technology to turn our waste tyres and plastic into fuel, but licensing the technology is incredibly expensive, even though it seems the government wants it to happen, am I right?
Have you spoken to someone like mole valley farmers about it, they have the size to run with something like this
Homesy
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- Location
- North West Devon
I stand corrected. It must have changed from " circular plastics economy" whereby it must be continually recycled.