Farmdeals - a new digital buying group - BETA testers required !

[Clive]

Using red diesel as an example:
How concentrated is the UK market share ?
Is there any possibility that they will collaborate to make sure the cartel (assuming there is one) isn't broken ? ie they agree among themselves not to offer red below a price they currently offer to smaller, less-of-a-threat buying groups ?
(just thinking aloud here, think its a fab thing you are doing).

edit:
https://fueloilnews.co.uk/top-fuel-oil-distributors/

one reason we have chosen fuel to stsrt is there is a lot if healthy competition abd suppliers are aggressively chasing new business do we think the desks will be good

we know ag chems and fert maybe not so simple ! but have a few aces up our sleeve when the tine comes

 

[Clive]

no nothing cant be sure it went through

must be a tech problem, there was an a message when tested friday - will get it sorted in the morning when our developers wake up !

registrations are coming through though - thanks

 

[Derrick Hughes]

no nothing cant be sure it went through

We both in the same Boat. The Titanic [emoji23]

 

[bobk]

We both in the same Boat. The Titanic [emoji23]

Ask Mr Drakeford

 

[Clive]

Those that register will get a confirmation call / email this week to explain more so you will know if you are “in”

 

[roscoe erf]

We both in the same Boat. The Titanic [emoji23]

you keep the band busy i'm off

 

[Will Blackburn]

sellers pay a very small commission, much lower than traditional buying groups charge them due to its lower cost structure and hopefully scale

Gosh, I mustn’t be in a traditional buying group, it’s only 60 years old?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Those that register will get a confirmation call / email this week to explain more so you will know if you are “in”

Thats like standing in a line as school and not being picked for the team [emoji19]

 

[Sid]

Gosh, I mustn’t be in a traditional buying group, it’s only 60 years old?

Trouble is with buying groups is boom or bust.
Companies either get the volume business or not.

Then when you go back to last years supplier they may not be there as they over committed themselves to the group. Then you end up with even less competition.

 

[ollie989898]

Trouble is with buying groups is boom or bust.
Companies either get the volume business or not.

Then when you go back to last years supplier they may not be there as they over committed themselves to the group. Then you end up with even less competition.

Of course there are a growing number of businesses that just don't want to supply buying groups...

 

[Chris F]

Of course there are a growing number of businesses that just don't want to supply buying groups...

Which is in part why we wanted to try a different approach.

 

[delilah]

one reason we have chosen fuel to stsrt is there is a lot if healthy competition abd suppliers are aggressively chasing new business do we think the desks will be good

Be honest. You were typing that when you were eating your Sunday tea weren't you .
I hope you are right. That table I put up suggests that distribution at least is heavily concentrated. And as I may have said before, market share is the root of all evil.

 

[Barleymow]

Will the likes of soya for home mixing be on the list of goods eventually?

 

[Bald Rick]

one reason we have chosen fuel to stsrt is there is a lot if healthy competition abd suppliers are aggressively chasing new business do we think the desks will be good

we know ag chems and fert maybe not so simple ! but have a few aces up our sleeve when the tine comes

The caveat to that is delivery. Cheap may be fine but not if it doesn't come for days.
As an example, we tend to be a "just in time" sort of farm i.e. the "fill me" thingy is flashing when I pick up the phone but our current suppliers are here within 8 hours of the phone call or less which, seeing as we use well over 2000 litres a week, is sort of comforting. A hungry cow is an angry cow .....

 

[BRB John]

So how is it going to work? is it going to work on a local area bases? because how many fuel suppliers actually cover the entire country? I've always bought my fuel from a local company and I'd hate to see them go out of business because they can't compete on a country scale.
I will be interested to see how much cheaper you can get fuel though I never thought there was huge margins in it.
I really don't see something like this working not on a national scale anyway and even if it did it wouldn't be good for an open free competitive market economy as far as I can think.

 

[BRB John]

The caveat to that is delivery. Cheap may be fine but not if it doesn't come for days.
As an example, we tend to be a "just in time" sort of farm i.e. the "fill me" thingy is flashing when I pick up the phone but our current suppliers are here within 8 hours of the phone call or less which, seeing as we use well over 2000 litres a week, is sort of comforting. A hungry cow is an angry cow .....

Yeah which you kind of have to be you can't fill a full tank of fuel.... 2000 litres a week! how many cows do you have?!?!?!

 

[Bald Rick]

I looked into joining the one beginning with f,the cost and fact they wanted to see farm accounts put me off

We are members of "F" ........ and save a lot of money. Having said that, we do also negotiate our own deals but we have little time to watch the straights markets hence why we rely on professionals to jump on deals & lock us in to 6 month or more contracts
Don't be put off by submitting accounts as it's all about trust.

 

[Will Blackburn]

I looked into joining the one beginning with f,the cost and fact they wanted to see farm accounts put me off

It’s a one off. Suppliers quote on the basis they’ll get paid, no hassle. Checking accounts is a duty of care to existing members because it is paid out of reserves if a member fails. I think.

 

[Will Blackburn]

Trouble is with buying groups is boom or bust.
Companies either get the volume business or not.

Then when you go back to last years supplier they may not be there as they over committed themselves to the group. Then you end up with even less competition.

There is remarkably little supplier changing, my cubed feed supplies have always come from the same firm 10+ years. It’s the tonnage commitment, payment terms and supply only arrangements that add up to big savings for suppliers.

 

[Clive]

So how is it going to work? is it going to work on a local area bases? because how many fuel suppliers actually cover the entire country? I've always bought my fuel from a local company and I'd hate to see them go out of business because they can't compete on a country scale.
I will be interested to see how much cheaper you can get fuel though I never thought there was huge margins in it.
I really don't see something like this working not on a national scale anyway and even if it did it wouldn't be good for an open free competitive market economy as far as I can think.

there are several national fuel suppliers, we also have a number of local suppliers on board, we are actively looking for more right now so point your suppliers our direction please

The buying group app will offer you deals available to your location (s) - it will work fine nationally or locally and thats another big difference between Farm Deals and a more traditional local buying group

can’t see how increased choice and openness of pricing can be anything but good for competition - It also helps the smaller suppliers access bigger markets so its not bad for them either

This is no different to any of the existing buying groups , just national, free and more transparent