Farmer Roy's Random Thoughts - I never said it was easy.

[CornishTone]

Sorry to bring the tone down but that's what can happen when people ignore warnings. She'd moved cubes and a "road closed" sign to get to the ford too.

All the funny "I just got away with that one" flooded car pics are only separated from fatalities by luck.

Anyway, on a lighter note, I'm declaring last year's maize undersowing trial a complete success now

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Agreed on the first point...

And on the second point!
Looks like it worked a treat!

 

[hendrebc]

Off track now.
After 7 or 8 weeks of not being home much at all feeling like i missed out on everything i finished early yesterday afternoon while it was quiet to pick little miss hendrebc up from nursery while her mother was busy.
Doing the usual things 13 month old babies do around the house she only went and walked for the first time when i was home with her on my own she must have been waiting for me to do it

 

[Blaithin]

Would your bison and elk be in the same fields as cattle? Badgers would be in the same fields every night sniffing around and coughing up th from their lungs all over the grass cattle eat and into their water troughs and all over their mineral or feed blocks too. And were there are tb in badgers there are LOTS of them. Theyre in hedges everywere like rabbits wrecking the place

Yes. The bison are more controlled as their numbers are smaller and they’re in a park. There’s legislation about having cows close to the park and the bison are not really allowed out.

But Elk and Deer you can’t keep out of anywhere. If the cattle can get fluke from the deer, then obviously they’re around them enough for contact. Not to mention the fact that our badgers don’t seem in any way to be a point of TB. But they also go everywhere, with the deer and in with cattle.

As for the overpopulation theory brought up, the areas with a high overpopulation of deer do not correspondingly have TB. The area with TB are usually fairly average numbers. However culls are a thing here. Especially in regards to chronic wasting disease. If a zone is seen to be suffering to badly then more hunting tags are issued for that area during the season and the cull is on.

 

[Yale]

Off track now.
After 7 or 8 weeks of not being home much at all feeling like i missed out on everything i finished early yesterday afternoon while it was quiet to pick little miss hendrebc up from nursery while her mother was busy.
Doing the usual things 13 month old babies do around the house she only went and walked for the first time when i was home with her on my own she must have been waiting for me to do it

That’s lovely.

You’ll find now people will be asking you when you’re having your next baby.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Yes. The bison are more controlled as their numbers are smaller and they’re in a park. There’s legislation about having cows close to the park and the bison are not really allowed out.

But Elk and Deer you can’t keep out of anywhere. If the cattle can get fluke from the deer, then obviously they’re around them enough for contact. Not to mention the fact that our badgers don’t seem in any way to be a point of TB. But they also go everywhere, with the deer and in with cattle.

As for the overpopulation theory brought up, the areas with a high overpopulation of deer do not correspondingly have TB. The area with TB are usually fairly average numbers. However culls are a thing here. Especially in regards to chronic wasting disease. If a zone is seen to be suffering to badly then more hunting tags are issued for that area during the season and the cull is on.

As with all things in nature there's clearly more to TB than any of us really understand

 

[Blaithin]

As with all things in nature there's clearly more to TB than any of us really understand

Blame the rain. Even bacteria has a hard time living when it’s popcorn fart dry

Just don’t tell the rain moaners that when it gets too dry you can run into problems with anthrax

 

[CornishTone]

Blame the rain. Even bacteria has a hard time living when it’s popcorn fart dry

Just don’t tell the rain moaners that when it gets too dry you can run into problems with anthrax

Anthrax?!?!?!?!

 

[hendrebc]

That’s lovely.

You’ll find now people will be asking you when you’re having your next baby.

Weve had that for the past 6 months

 

[waterbuffalofarmer]

Off track now.
After 7 or 8 weeks of not being home much at all feeling like i missed out on everything i finished early yesterday afternoon while it was quiet to pick little miss hendrebc up from nursery while her mother was busy.
Doing the usual things 13 month old babies do around the house she only went and walked for the first time when i was home with her on my own she must have been waiting for me to do it

Such a special thing hope the mother's not too mad

 

[Blaithin]

Anthrax?!?!?!?!

Yes. Every few years there seems to be an anthrax outbreak in cattle here. Usually in Saskatchewan

Actually thinks it happens after a flood when the spots get moved around and then in dries up a lot. Brings the spores to the surface and then they’re there for the breathing.

 

[CornishTone]

Yes. Every few years there seems to be an anthrax outbreak in cattle here. Usually in Saskatchewan

Actually thinks it happens after a flood when the spots get moved around and then in dries up a lot. Brings the spores to the surface and then they’re there for the breathing.

How do you treat that? Antibiotics or lead? Can it pass to humans?

 

[hendrebc]

Such a special thing hope the mother's not too mad

No she was pleased i got to see her do something for a change

 

[Blaithin]

Perhaps we should be applying anthropomorphism to TB. The bacteria are evil!

Really they’re just organisms out to survive and their method of evolution and survival has thus thwarted the minds of humans. Doesn’t have anything to do with us beyond we’re a vessel for their survival.

But why aren’t bacteria anthropomorphised? Probably because we can’t see an emotion and wrongly interpret it. People are mighty bad at seeing an animal’s emotion or reaction and applying their own reason behind it. Jealousy being a huge one. But just because an animal does something we do or would do, doesn’t mean it’s for the same reason.

Case in point. Yawning.

We yawn when we’re tired. Dogs yawn when they’re nervous or anxious. Cows yawn when they’re anxious and thinking about plowing you into the ground. Woe be you if you think that cow is cute and tired when she’s yawning at you.

 

[hendrebc]

We get an anthrax outbreak here sometimes but not often i have heard of it happening. There used to be a scheme thing were you could (or had to) send off cows that died of sudden death for testing to see if it was anthrax. I think thats stopped now though but im sure there was an outbreak a few years ago somewere on the news

 

[Blaithin]

How do you treat that? Antibiotics or lead? Can it pass to humans?

Honestly don’t really know. Never lived in an area where it’s a direct concern. Pretty sure it’s usually fatal. Think you can just treat the symptoms and hope.

Never really heard of people getting it but we aren’t out sniffling around the ground. Probably not impossible. Although it would most likely be direct infection, not from the animals as it’s a spore not a disease.

 

[hendrebc]

How do you treat that? Antibiotics or lead? Can it pass to humans?

Anthrax is usually just dead cow/s and yes it can pass to humans

 

[hendrebc]

Anthrax is usually just dead cow/s and yes it can pass to humans

I think high doses of antibiotics can cure it if caught in time but it kills quickly

 

[CornishTone]

Really they’re just organisms out to survive and their method of evolution and survival has thus thwarted the minds of humans.

Or just thwarted the minds of a small but influential section of the UK’s general public?!

 

[Crofter64]

But it doesn't really at present, or at least that's the argument they are giving.. once the animal gets slaughtered then it becomes harder to track with manual means
Put RFID in and animal ID can simply be duplicated 1, 2, 4 times as it is quartered down and easily done
Same with the management described above, easily as opposed to paper wars to achieve the same.
The popular argument seems to be, stick with the status quo to suit the small guys and their lack of desire to improve, rather than JFDI and "this is whats happening" which is what happened here.
I dare say it will happen there too, after reading the text at the beginning of the thread.
This is proven tech and in use elsewhere for good reason.

Traceability is fine. I just worry that when problems arise, somewhere along the road from birth to dinner plate, the farmer will be found to be at fault, not the CAFOs, slaughter houses, butchers or grocery stores. Pick on the smallest player with the fewest means to defend himself.

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

Anthrax?!?!?!?!

Yes. Happens over this way every few years. Here and the Goulburn valley were endemic 100 years ago. The spores can last that long in the soil.