Farmer Roy's Random Thoughts - I never said it was easy.

Ukjay

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Yes,I see your point,I would consider myself to be generous in other ways. (y)

As I said - no financial reward required, just receiving the freely given insight of your experience helps many I am certain. Heck, I have gleened information from reading your posts since joining, because lets face it - this farming lark is all ery new to a dumbass like me :)
 

Yale

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As I said - no financial reward required, just receiving the freely given insight of your experience helps many I am certain. Heck, I have gleened information from reading your posts since joining, because lets face it - this farming lark is all ery new to a dumbass like me :)
Sounds like we’d make a good team....

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Erm, in an ideal world yes I agree - but there are other sides to capitalism that are not as we would like to proport, but lets not go deeper into that side, as it will be another polar debate..
There are no other sides to capitalism, the free and fair exchange of goods and/or services between consenting parties is all that capitalism is.
Blaming natural disasters on an economic system seemed a little far fetched that was all.
 

Ukjay

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There are no other sides to capitalism, the free and fair exchange of goods and/or services between consenting parties is all that capitalism is.
Blaming natural disasters on an economic system seemed a little far fetched that was all.

Hang on, who the f**k blamed natural disasters on anything...

We were talking about people morning bricks and mortar vs natural disasters..

Also capitalism is not only as you portray.. You are blinkered!!!
 
Hang on, who the fudge blamed natural disasters on anything...

We were talking about people morning bricks and mortar vs natural disasters..

Also capitalism is not only as you portray.. You are blinkered!!!


You.

And that is all capitalism is, although these days many people take it to me much more.

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That post though - very thought provoking and truly reflective on what the majority value over so many more valuable and replaceable systems.....

What a bunch of selfish, capitalistic fudgewits we humans have (de) Evolved into. What a sad legacy to leave our young!!!
 

Ukjay

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You.

And that is all capitalism is, although these days many people take it to me much more.

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Erm, you appear to have twisted things for your own agenda for some strange reason. .. As my comments were against repairing the bricks and mortar vs investing in the other points raised... As I replied to Roy's post....

Capitalism also includes moving wealth - which you obviously chose to ignore. It is not all about mutual collaboration as you try to portray.

Some points of capitalism that are not about free trade etc are managed / overseen by monarchs, oligarchs and despots.... Not such a free trade deal is it....
 

Blaithin

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I really don’t like this “mourning more” bulls**t.

I love my siblings. Does me loving them mean I love my parents less? I also love my friends, does loving them mean I love my siblings less?

I am struck by the loss of Notre Dame. The history within that building, the archeological timespan of the human race, it is a treasure. Just because I’m affected by its damage doesn’t mean I’m any less affected by other disasters. Nor does it mean I no longer care about other disasters.

Who are these people that seem to think humans are only capable of sympathizing, mourning or caring for one thing at a time. You want people to know about disasters then talk about disasters and let them know about them, they’ll care about them all. They don’t need to care about one at the expense of not caring for another.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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There are no other sides to capitalism, the free and fair exchange of goods and/or services between consenting parties is all that capitalism is.
Blaming natural disasters on an economic system seemed a little far fetched that was all.
I would suggest that we don't actually operate capitalism then. Free and fair would not apply once professional marketing and lobbying prevent you understanding exactly what you are buying.
 

Ukjay

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I really don’t like this “mourning more” bullpoo.

I love my siblings. Does me loving them mean I love my parents less? I also love my friends, does loving them mean I love my siblings less?

I am struck by the loss of Notre Dame. The history within that building, the archeological timespan of the human race, it is a treasure. Just because I’m affected by its damage doesn’t mean I’m any less affected by other disasters. Nor does it mean I no longer care about other disasters.

Who are these people that seem to think humans are only capable of sympathizing, mourning or caring for one thing at a time. You want people to know about disasters then talk about disasters and let them know about them, they’ll care about them all. They don’t need to care about one at the expense of not caring for another.

We should care about our action etc, as we choose how the world performs by our actions....

If we want to continue into the future - everyone needs to take stock of their own impacts...
 

holwellcourtfarm

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I really don’t like this “mourning more” bullpoo.

I love my siblings. Does me loving them mean I love my parents less? I also love my friends, does loving them mean I love my siblings less?

I am struck by the loss of Notre Dame. The history within that building, the archeological timespan of the human race, it is a treasure. Just because I’m affected by its damage doesn’t mean I’m any less affected by other disasters. Nor does it mean I no longer care about other disasters.

Who are these people that seem to think humans are only capable of sympathizing, mourning or caring for one thing at a time. You want people to know about disasters then talk about disasters and let them know about them, they’ll care about them all. They don’t need to care about one at the expense of not caring for another.
Actually I'm not sure how much many folk really do care these days, about anything. Life for many has become so incredibly shallow. :(
 

Blaithin

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Actually I'm not sure how much many folk really do care these days, about anything. Life for many has become so incredibly shallow. :(
I’d say in the majority of the cases it’s because people don’t know, more than they don’t care.

Do any of you guys care about the Indian Residential Schools here. Or the 60’s Scoop.

Or maybe you care about the Mountain Pine Beetle infestations expanding into Alberta.

Perhaps you care that Lake Winnipeg is dying?

Maybe you cared about when it flooded here a few years back and wiped out towns.

Maybe, just maybe, you cared about the city of Fort McMurray burning.

In any of these situations I wouldn’t say you don’t care, Id say it’s much more likely that you don’t even know they happened or are happening. The ones you might know, Ft McMurray and the floods, would only be because they were in the media and in the case of the fire, did get international aid, and both were fairly recent.

So should I slam you all for being too busy caring about other natural disasters and human caused issues that you know about when you should be caring about the ones close to me, which you probably don’t even know about? How can you care if you don’t know.

Too often now it seems to be a case of “Oh that sucks, but ours was worse.”

A couple of years ago we had a TB outbreak here. I mentioned it so maybe some on here know about it but otherwise probably not. Despite tens of thousands of head being culled and farms wiped out to control it, it’s clear people would say “Well that sucks, but it’s worse here”. Same with the fires or floods “well thats bad luck, but it wasn’t as bad as the ones here.”

Disasters aren’t competitions and a lack of knowing about them isn’t a lack of caring.
 
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