Farmer Roy's Random Thoughts - I never said it was easy.

[cows sh#t me to tears]

36 months?! You had a prime minister that lasted that long?![emoji23]

Your democracy taught us everything we know unfortunately.....

 

[CornishTone]

Your democracy taught us everything we know unfortunately.....

Watch this space!!!!!

 

[Kiwi Pete]

This is why i laugh at alot of climate change solutions...because consumption will not decrease.

Its impossible to govern so deciding who should and should not have a 4x4,

The individual needs to do the governing, and not just there need of vehicle, there need or want for anything. And this needss to occur globally.

As poorer nations get richer the consumption will increase, and should we deny them the right to live better, weve had our time in the sun, and they need theres, so western world needs to have a dramatic change in thinking, if the whole world becomes 1st world level countries, the energy and heat produced will be mind blowing, plus the mining needed to keep up also like nothing else we have seen.

To many are waiting for the govt to do everything and point the finger at the oil or coal mine, without taking responsibility themselves.

The consumer can change govt policy by its personal habits, consumer can change whats produced to consume by consumption habits.

Its up to us....not someone else.

Ant...

Absolutely.

Remember the internet, and how it was going to be the end of paper and recreational airtravel?

That went really well, eh.

 

[Ukjay]

They aren't even "safer" than a decent estate car in reality: the old defender was canned because it couldn't meet the current safety rules.

Oh cmon, please don't confuse ncap ratings with reality.

NCAP is a systematic test, whereby in the real world where adverse conditions, non clinical forces are involved, alleged safe cars can fail just as catestrophically if a car is hit in a certain angle and was proven as such - which I would have thought you would know about that.. Or was that another conspiracy ploy..
Failed airbag deployment, chassis crumple zones not working as ecpected when not hit in exact geometrical angles as CTD analysis...

Yes they have made great advances in safety - but it is not infallible, and I'm actually talking from experience.... I was one of the lucky ones that walked away from a serious RTA..

 

[Ukjay]

Nope, you stated need was subjective. It’s not.

It most certainly is, as you need to factor in more than your own assumptions...

Now you’re accusing me of disliking 4x4 drivers. Where have I said that? A fatuous claim given I’ve admitted to owning at least one purely for recreation and as a family we operate several more out of necessity.

Yet again you interpret incorrectly.
I stated you do not like people driving 4x4's, not you do not like 'The' people who drive 4x4's

See below for clarity....

You evidentally do not like people driving 4x4's

If you’re driving a standard car in an area that will turn the car to a “pile of shite”, as you so eloquently put it, you’ve fûcked up!

Oh really, so driving a BMW, Merc, Mondeo etc down a potholed gravel track day in day, through a once dry road, through a washed out gravel track that was your drive means one has f**ked up?

Many reasons could put your car into the sh!t pile outside of ones own control if driven in the wrong conditions and for example, inclement weather, building works on estates that turn a semi decent road into a war zone and puts many roads to ruin has nothing to do with someone f**king up, it is a sequence of events that will lead to the early demise of the vehicle.. as it is not designed to cater for such extremes.
Also, if one reads the warranty books conditions, if you drive your std cars in adverse conditions (outside of the normally acceptable driving limits for one's chosen vehicle) - your warranty etc is reduced significantly.

Wonder why that is..... Oh wait, maybe because the cars are simply not engineered for it and the manufacturer knows they will be repairing the vehicle more and costing them for the privellege...

 

[Ukjay]

I'd like to think that I could live in an area where a 4 x 4 isn't necessary and would turn my normal car to shite - because I would be prepared - ie got plenty of cabbage and sprouts in stock to feed the hubby and 4 x 4 for use only in genuine emergencies - to help neighbours primarily and ill prepared knob heads xx

I'm truly glad for you, and I hope you are able to be continually prepared for everything, and never require help from anyone....
Even with your 4x4 assisting the ill prepared knob heads as you put it.

 

[TelesnaAg]

Day 13

Good strike of persian i broadcasted in front of drill

Ant

 

[CornishTone]

Oh really, so driving a BMW, Merc, Mondeo etc down a potholed gravel track day in day, through a once dry road, through a washed out gravel track that was your drive means one has fudgeed up?

Many reasons could put your car into the sh!t pile outside of ones own control if driven in the wrong conditions and for example, inclement weather, building works on estates that turn a semi decent road into a war zone and puts many roads to ruin has nothing to do with someone fudgeing up, it is a sequence of events that will lead to the early demise of the vehicle.. as it is not designed to cater for such extremes.
Also, if one reads the warranty books conditions, if you drive your std cars in adverse conditions (outside of the normally acceptable driving limits for one's chosen vehicle) - your warranty etc is reduced significantly.

Wonder why that is..... Oh wait, maybe because the cars are simply not engineered for it and the manufacturer knows they will be repairing the vehicle more and costing them for the privellege...

[emoji23] If you’re incapable of assessing the prevailing road conditions vs the capability of the vehicle you’re driving then yeah, you fûcked up!

 

[RushesToo]

@TelesnaAg @Blaithin @CornishTone @Kiwi Pete @cows sh#t me to tears @Farmer Roy
To try and set some peace and spread alittle knowledge and thought
Fog V's Water
Fog - This is a more efficient use of water in quelling fires. If you use a hose then water lands in a blob and what it hits gets cold, then wet and won't burn - but everything that the blob of water didn't hit stays hot and burns.
Spreading the water in a fog has two purposes:
1. No blobs of wet, all of it is used.
2. When the water hits the heat it has two positive effects

a. Turning water into steam takes heat out​

b. Steam expands takes the place of oxygen and there is less of it to burn. 1KG or 1Litre of water[10cmx10cmx10cm] of water makes 1700L of steam. This drives oxygen out​

So fog works because it takes heat out and drives oxygen out, It is the most efficient use of water in extinguishing fires. It may not work, but you wont waste any water or effort.

 

[CornishTone]

Yet again you interpret incorrectly.
I stated you do not like people driving 4x4's, not you do not like 'The' people who drive 4x4's

No, I didn’t say anywhere I dislike people driving 4x4’s.

Yet again, I have one myself purely for recreation and as a family we run more for work.

Geez, you’re hard work!!!!

 

[CornishTone]

It most certainly is, as you need to factor in more than your own assumptions...

And just to help on “need vs desire”...

 

[RushesToo]

And just to help on “need vs desire”...
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Normally descibed the other way up:

You start being costly at the top of the triangle - there are few people here. Most of the World population just want air, water food rest health - and many don't get it.
4x4's are mostly yellow.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

@TelesnaAg @Blaithin @CornishTone @Kiwi Pete @cows sh#t me to tears @Farmer Roy
To try and set some peace and spread alittle knowledge and thought
Fog V's Water
Fog - This is a more efficient use of water in quelling fires. If you use a hose then water lands in a blob and what it hits gets cold, then wet and won't burn - but everything that the blob of water didn't hit stays hot and burns.
Spreading the water in a fog has two purposes:
1. No blobs of wet, all of it is used.
2. When the water hits the heat it has two positive effects

a. Turning water into steam takes heat out​

b. Steam expands takes the place of oxygen and there is less of it to burn. 1KG or 1Litre of water[10cmx10cmx10cm] of water makes 1700L of steam. This drives oxygen out​

So fog works because it takes heat out and drives oxygen out, It is the most efficient use of water in extinguishing fires. It may not work, but you wont waste any water or effort.

Did you mean to tag me?

That's basic recruit firefighter stuff, hence our regular branches set for cooling will produce an average droplet size of .3 micron, and at 1200° will produce almost 3500l of steam per l of water.
Hence the spinning diffuser on the front of the nozzle.
I don't think anyone is disputing the efficiency of cooling with fog, what we are trying to point out to John is that it's not effective in these conditions.
Big difference: British farming is quite area efficient but not overly effective at turning sunshine into profit.. which then negates that efficiency.

That's why the discussion.. these aussie fires are laden with not only wood gases but also oil gases, being largely gums, so the resultant fire behaviour is out the gate (especially for kiwis).

The problem is more physics here; fog is not able to travel far enough even if applied to the air-track because of their ambient temp and lack of humidity - that is it's vapourised halfway to the fire and the cooling is lost- so then you're effectively feeding it oxygen and hydrogen. And the foam/soaps don't help with this.

Our trainers told us this after we'd finished our live-fire training; they said this:
"cooling is just one tool in the box, but realise what you're doing; if you get to a fully involved housefire that's already vented and flashed-over, your "perfect safe-door entry and gas-cool" is going to get you killed.

The fire will just laugh at you, say thanks for the extra oxygen and hydrogen you pumped in, now fück off back to the truck and THINK how you're going to attack me"

Rural fire scares the sh!t out of me, hence why I am an urban QF

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Been working on my photos for my end of year catch up on the slack. I treated myself to photoshop a couple years ago but really don't play around with it much. Got a bit carried away with this one though Proves you can take a mediocre, unremarkable photo and make it stand out!

Half assed tried to get rid of the thistles but can't be fudgeed hah

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I prefer the top one, because it looks real, it is what it is, nothing more or less.
Some things should never be photoshopped and Aunty Helen was one of them.... ??
But sunrise with a hint o volcanic ash, eh?

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Absolutely.

Remember the internet, and how it was going to be the end of paper and recreational airtravel?

That went really well, eh.

Eh, recreational airtravel, how else do I get to my northern hemisphere mountain bike??
How else do you meet forum members if you don't fly.....

 

[Kiwi Pete]

No, I didn’t say anywhere I dislike people driving 4x4’s.

Yet again, I have one myself purely for recreation and as a family we run more for work.

Geez, you’re hard work!!!!

This whole thread has become hard work lately!

In hindsight, when things appear to be going to well, that's probably a correct assessment

 

[Blaithin]

I prefer the top one, because it looks real, it is what it is, nothing more or less.
Some things should never be photoshopped and Aunty Helen was one of them.... ??
But sunrise with a hint o volcanic ash, eh?View attachment 848141

They’re both real. He didn’t become fake because I edited him.

Cameras are incapable of seeing like human eyes can. They cannot see depth easily, have poor colour and exposure range and their focusing is limiting. While photos can be beautiful, they rarely show exactly what we see in person. To try and achieve that editing is required. So in truth, editing can make an image more real, not less. The bottom image is closer to what he actually looked like to the naked eye. The top image is simply the pale, flat version that the camera could see.

Taking out wires and posts is just a composition thing. Much like placing him in the frame where I did. Manipulation to make the image more catching. It’s ridiculously easy to make the eyes go where you want to when you know how to compose an image.

 

[Blaithin]

This whole thread has become hard work lately!

In hindsight, when things appear to be going to well, that's probably a correct assessment

It’s December. Forums go to sh!t in December and January. It’s their annual melt down ?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Eh, recreational airtravel, how else do I get to my northern hemisphere mountain bike??
How else do you meet forum members if you don't fly.....

Easy, stay home and see who makes the effort.

I've met more than a dozen TFF members without even leaving home, not once have I been disappointed with the trip

 

[Kiwi Pete]

It’s December. Forums go to sh!t in December and January. It’s their annual melt down ?

I'm glad it's not just me, because it feels like my favourite hiding place has been discovered and someone left a rotten fish behind the fridge for a laugh
*insert fake, sarcastic laughter