Farmer Roy's Random Thoughts - I never said it was easy.

[Farmer Roy]

the irony of growing a crop that is used for direct human consumption ( mung beans ), either as fresh sprouts, or canned, or is processed into a high protein flour for dahl & other human food products, or is now finding its way into "fake meats" due to its protein levels - in ALL its forms & end products suitable for & bought by vegans - when you consider I am killing 100's of 1000's or even 1'000'000's of sentient mammals, to grow that crop . . .

 

[Farmer Roy]

Ok, rough maths.
We put out 200kg in the sorghum
Another 200kg in the sorghum & 300 kg in the mungs.
so - 700 kg at the potential to kill 25,000 per kg
That’s 17,500,000 mice. Potentially . . .

and we are probably going to have to do it all again in a week or so

 

[Farmer Roy]

Ok, apparently a house mouse weighs 19 g
Let’s round it back to 15 g

15 g x 17,500,000 is 262,500,000 g, 262,500 kg, or 262.5 tonnes. Of mice.

how well would a mouse carcass dress out at ? If 30% at a guess, then that’s nearly 80 tonne of meat . . .



EDIT - f#cked up my maths.
26 tonne of mice, 8 tonne of meat

 

[redsloe]

Ok, apparently a house mouse weighs 19 g
Let’s round it back to 15 g

15 g x 17,500,000 is 262,500,000 g, 262,500 kg, or 262.5 tonnes. Of mice.

how well would a mouse carcass dress out at ? If 30% at a guess, then that’s nearly 80 tonne of meat . . .

Slow morning?

 

[Kidds]

I bet most on here have killed more worms than that over the years

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Ok, apparently a house mouse weighs 19 g
Let’s round it back to 15 g

15 g x 17,500,000 is 262,500,000 g, 262,500 kg, or 262.5 tonnes. Of mice.

how well would a mouse carcass dress out at ? If 30% at a guess, then that’s nearly 80 tonne of meat . . .

Biological/animal N for your vegan crop

 

[Farmer Roy]

Biological/animal N for your vegan crop

just think of the biological activity from all those little rotting carcasses. They even have the courtesy to go back into their burrows to die

grass always grows better where a sheep / cow carcass rotted away




i remember a mate of mine telling his agronomist years ago he wanted a bag of fert that was as good as a dead sheep at making his grass grow

 

[Farmer Roy]

i suppose, if i was in the UK, id have to get the knackers man in to dispose of those 17.5 million bodies

 

[Kidds]

If it was in the UK there wouldn't be any bodies because you would never be allowed to poison by plane, not convinced we have an effective enough poison and if we do nobody has a license to buy more than 1kg at a time, even if they did the stuff probably comes from Europe and is stuck at a port somewhere abroad while paperwork is filed, then the illegal stowaways would eat it on route causing even more delay and if by some miracle the poison did reach a farm ready to be spread the animal rights loons would be picketing the fields.
Ask anybody on here how close to reality that lot actually is.

 

[Farmer Roy]

If it was in the UK there wouldn't be any bodies because you would never be allowed to poison by plane, not convinced we have an effective enough poison and if we do nobody has a license to buy more than 1kg at a time, even if they did the stuff probably comes from Europe and is stuck at a port somewhere abroad while paperwork is filed, then the illegal stowaways would eat it on route causing even more delay and if by some miracle the poison did reach a farm ready to be spread the animal rights loons would be picketing the fields.
Ask anybody on here how close to reality that lot actually is.

the zinc phosphide is different to the anti coagulant poisons

not allowed to use ZP around buildings etc, not allowed to use anti coagulants in crops / fields - but yes, i do get your point

 

[Farmer Roy]

err, Ive f#ucked up with my maths.
Wrong decimal place.
It was 26 tonnes of mice, not 260 . . .

still, 26 tonnes, thats equivalent to one dead sheep per hectare, or a dead 500kg steer every 10 ha. 500 dead sheep, 50 dead cattle . . .

 

[Kidds]

Will you be spreading these dead livestock by plane too?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Time to sharpen up your electric fencing skills Roy, stack 'em high

 

[Farmer Roy]

Will you be spreading these dead livestock by plane too?

the mice very conveniently walk there, breed & then die in situ, even burying / incorporating themselves into the soil in the process

 

[Farmer Roy]

If it was in the UK there wouldn't be any bodies because you would never be allowed to poison by plane, not convinced we have an effective enough poison and if we do nobody has a license to buy more than 1kg at a time, even if they did the stuff probably comes from Europe and is stuck at a port somewhere abroad while paperwork is filed, then the illegal stowaways would eat it on route causing even more delay and if by some miracle the poison did reach a farm ready to be spread the animal rights loons would be picketing the fields.
Ask anybody on here how close to reality that lot actually is.

a license to buy 1kg

I bought an 8kg bucket JUST to bait my house. Walked into a rural supplies shop & picked it up off the shelf. No paperwork, anyone can do it.
Go into any of our grocery / supermarkets & you can buy 350g boxes of mouse bait ( no limit ), along with your bread, milk & veggies . . .
Normal hardware shops you can easily buy at least 5kg buckets off the shelf . . .

I’ve used over half of this 8 kg bucket JUST around / in my house in maybe a couple of months ?

having said that, we DO have agricultural chemicals that ARE stored under lock & key & you do require the correct documentation to purchase AND transport them . . .
but not mouse bait

 

[Kidds]

a license to buy 1kg

I got it wrong, it seems the max allowed is 150g grain formulation or 300g of blocks.
Any more and you have to have a license, this can be gained by paying £60 and watching a 20 minute video online.

 

[Samcowman]

I got it wrong, it seems the max allowed is 150g grain formulation or 300g of blocks.
Any more and you have to have a license, this can be gained by paying £60 and watching a 20 minute video online.

I can’t believe he hasn’t been on a course to get a useless bit of paper. What is the world coming too.

 

[Farmer Roy]

when i used 1080 to bait pigs - that was a WHOLE different ball game . . .

 

[Farmer Roy]

I can’t remember who, but someone asked a while ago about how far from harvest & if the baits contaminated the crop ?

there is a 14 day withholding period for harvest or grazing any crop that is treated

 

[Farmer Roy]

Mungs are on 1 metre rows, to give an idea of size

Sorghum heads