Farmers' anti-union sentiment

Walterp

Member
Location
Pembrokeshire
Dorset has always been a backward and reactionary sort of place.

In 1834, shortly after the English reformed their Parliamentary system to include a few more well-off men (if you were a woman, you could go home and cook the tea instead) on the electoral roll - Scotland and Ireland enlarged their electorates by a huge margin - farmers prosecuted six farm labourers with the crime of pledging loyalty to a union.

On their side the farmers had the law - loyalty to anything except the Crown was unpatriotic (an echo you hear today, in some of the foreign-owned UK Press). On the labourers’ side was justice - the farmers were cutting their pay, repeatedly, so that farm workers were forced onto the Parish in order to supplement their niggardly pay: six shillings a week - the equivalent of £26 today.

No one who has read Cobbett's 'Rural Rides' can forget the utter destitution in which English farmers maintained their labourers during this time - pauper scarecrows look up piteously from hearth and plough.

The farmers were determined to stamp out organised protests against their economy measures; in Tolpuddle, the local squire was appalled that his workers were forming a union to demand better wages and conditions, and had them prosecuted.

Seven year’s transportation was the brutal result.

The working class protested, en masse, and after three years of demonstrations and petitions the government pardoned the union martyrs for being prepared to stand up and be counted.

Does this episode explain why English farmers remain, even today, quite so antipathetic to labour unions?
 
Last edited:

Walterp

Member
Location
Pembrokeshire
Please, nobody grace this with a reply:sleep:
It's a legitimate question - how many times do we see on TFF derogatory comments on 'the unions', but with no inquiry into where these sentiments originate?

If no one asks, no one can find out.

All observations gratefully received, but - as ever - formulating the question is more significant than obtaining the answer.
 

jendan

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
It's a legitimate question - how many times do we see on TFF derogatory comments on 'the unions', but with no inquiry into where these sentiments originate?

If no one asks, no one can find out.

All observations gratefully received, but - as ever - formulating the question is more significant than obtaining the answer.
It is probably because most of us now can only remember the strikes/union power of the 70s,when the balance of power swung the other way.Going back to the Tolpuddle martyrs time,in other parts of the country,there was a destinct difference between the "squire" or landowner,and the farmers who were all tenants.Many in turn were thrown off their farms for very little reason,often because the squire did not like them much.Some in Northern areas,or on very harsh farms were almost as poor as the labourers they employed.
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Surely you must acknowledge the coal industries demise thanks to the NUM ?
And between 1978-79 there were 523 different industrial disputes on the go at the BL Longbridge plant. This was ( along with other things like iffy cars ) the downfall of the British car industry.

Maybe you need to get out more.
Or stay in and do some research.:D
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Unions no doubt started with honourable and justifiable aims to better the working conditions and terms of employment of their members.

But as with many things, they didn't know when to give it a rest and they started having a laugh. The pendulum swung too far. Most people could see this but some people never will.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 103 40.6%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 93 36.6%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 39 15.4%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 5 2.0%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 11 4.3%

May Event: The most profitable farm diversification strategy 2024 - Mobile Data Centres

  • 1,334
  • 24
With just a internet connection and a plug socket you too can join over 70 farms currently earning up to £1.27 ppkw ~ 201% ROI

Register Here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-mo...2024-mobile-data-centres-tickets-871045770347

Tuesday, May 21 · 10am - 2pm GMT+1

Location: Village Hotel Bury, Rochdale Road, Bury, BL9 7BQ

The Farming Forum has teamed up with the award winning hardware manufacturer Easy Compute to bring you an educational talk about how AI and blockchain technology is helping farmers to diversify their land.

Over the past 7 years, Easy Compute have been working with farmers, agricultural businesses, and renewable energy farms all across the UK to help turn leftover space into mini data centres. With...
Top