Farming Connect to promote Welsh language.

Treg

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cornwall
Out of interest, not looking for an argument, do think of yourself as Cornish first and, possibly, then British or vice versa?

I think of myself as British first, mainly of Welsh extraction, but with English, Manx, Scots and Irish (N & S) blood in me too.
Cornish first then British , may have slight bit of English blood .
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
It's not universally acknowledged, there is me and him that disagree with it for a start. (y)
So you ignore all the pundits who promise cheap food and unrestricted free trade and food imports, including Rees Mogg and our disastrous Prime Minister, who is admittedly of a less than honest persuasion, and believe that it is the road to Nirvana. Or at least will be better for the sector than currently. The evidence is not in your favour I'm afraid. I wish it were.
 

Bald Rick

Moderator
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Does Caernarfon Welsh count? If so, "Da iawn, cwnt"


But it really isn't the remit of FC to seek ideas on the Welsh Language unless, and I fear it is so, they are going to expand said remit to include all rural activities and villages/towns
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Does Caernarfon Welsh count? If so, "Da iawn, cwnt"


But it really isn't the remit of FC to seek ideas on the Welsh Language unless, and I fear it is so, they are going to expand said remit to include all rural activities and villages/towns
No it doesn't, please don't use it again. :pompous:

(In case anyone is worried, cwnt is not a rude word in Welsh.)
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
I know so. Indeed I am constantly surprised at the narrowness of many native English speaker's vocabulary. I will say the same for many Welsh speakers of course, in case you detect some imagined bias on my part.
A cousin has a diary of our great, great grandfather, I think, and the word 'broc' is used for badger; he was from and in N. Carms circa 1830s, but I can't find another use of it around here at that time. After we moved back here I was chatting with a neighbour who, rightly, prides himself on his Welsh, I used the word 'broc', in a home counties accent!, and he hadn't heard it before, just the usual 'mochyn daear'.
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
What I find remarkable is the fact that they have so few people coming to them, despite it being mandatory o do so for claiming any number of different grants... :banghead:

Out of interest, am I the only one who thinks this emoji :X3: looks like a monkey's arse at first glance?
Good, that's what I was hoping. ?
 

Treg

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cornwall
I don't disagree, but there's already a Welsh language board, with ample funds, I've no doubt.
Farming connect has no business getting involved in this IMO. They should stick to just giving agricultural advice ( like ADAS used to ), and WAG should just concentrate on administering EU subsidies fairly. Farming connect have already over stepped their mark by telling folks to go in for organic veg in the early 2000's and fudgeing up the entire industry. They then turned their attention to free range eggs.....:X3:

They are getting ideas way above their station.
I'll be honest & say my brother is the Cornish language lead & the Welsh language board have been very supportive.
He has taught Cornish in several different countries & to some unusual nationalities but he is still surprised by farmers ( including me ) that use words for things that he doesn't know . I would add that I can speak very little Cornish so what words I do use in my daily work are those handed down from previous generations.
It's important to collect these words because they are usually the original way of saying things without being influenced by modern languages.
I'm sure there's very little cost involved in asking a few farmers for a few minutes of their time.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Does Caernarfon Welsh count? If so, "Da iawn, cwnt"


But it really isn't the remit of FC to seek ideas on the Welsh Language unless, and I fear it is so, they are going to expand said remit to include all rural activities and villages/towns

The emphasis has shifted in recent years to 'rural development' rather than agricultural development. This is simply because we have too much agricultural production and there is a limit as to how competitive UK agriculture can become on the world stage. There are more jobs and greater returns from central investment in promoting a more general rural development than concentrating on an inevitably declining agriculture, especially if they are contemplating opening the floodgates to competition from exceptionally low cost production areas by our standards, without EU import protection.

What exactly 'rural development' consists of is not clear. Basically in Ceredigion the County Council have finally woken up to the fact that there is no industry here. No jobs outside agriculture [which may see a dramatic reduction in future for a variety of 'social, environmental and economic' reasons], so they are desperate to encourage any industry of business to develop or locate here through a positive attitude to planning and financial management help. Make no mistake, the priority for the next few decades will be 'rural development' rather than 'agricultural development'. Certainly here in Wales, but probably in all rural areas. It simply gives more bang [jobs] for the buck.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
A cousin has a diary of our great, great grandfather, I think, and the word 'broc' is used for badger; he was from and in N. Carms circa 1830s, but I can't find another use of it around here at that time. After we moved back here I was chatting with a neighbour who, rightly, prides himself on his Welsh, I used the word 'broc', in a home counties accent!, and he hadn't heard it before, just the usual 'mochyn daear'.
Broc is occasionally used here, but I always though, probably mistakenly, that it referred to its stripy coat, but applied as a colloquial name for the animal itself. But yes, 'broc' is sill in use.
 

Yale

Member
Livestock Farmer
That is very narrow minded and short sighted of you. The more languages a child learns, the better. I know of not a single child anywhere taught Welsh that cannot communicate at least as well in English. Never seen a child disadvantaged by being able to speak Welsh but they may well be disadvantaged socially and in the workplace by not being able to speak it, as indeed you were in college apparently.

My wife was disadvantaged as having taken her A levels in Welsh she went to Uni at Salford and Liverpool John Moore’s and it dramatically made her studies more difficult in English.

I am a product of having the Welsh language rammed down my throat at school.

Don’t get me wrong I’m proud of being Welsh and of Wales however I am ashamed of how Welsh speakers behave in an arrogant immature way in the company of persons who do not speak the language.
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
As an aside, South Pembrokeshire has been English speaking since 1100 when Normans populated it with Flemish settlers. There seems to be an insidious attempt to Welsh-ify the area in recent years. Witness the ridiculous attempts at trying to give Cresselly a Welsh name, and a bilingual sign for Narberth, by dropping off the N to create Arberth......
This IMO is just as bad as English folk populating Welsh speaking areas and expecting everyone to speak English.
Tin hat on.
 

Yale

Member
Livestock Farmer
Wales is as disjointed as England.

Cardiff has no relevance to us in North East Wales as much as London does to someone living in Carlisle.

Actually I can fly to Schiphol airport in the Netherlands door to door quicker than I can get to Cardiff......and that’s arriving 2 hours before the flight goes from Liverpool airport.

Transport links in Wales are a joke.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
As an aside, South Pembrokeshire has been English speaking since 1100 when Normans populated it with Flemish settlers. There seems to be an insidious attempt to Welsh-ify the area in recent years. Witness the ridiculous attempts at trying to give Cresselly a Welsh name, and a bilingual sign for Narberth, by dropping off the N to create Arberth......
This IMO is just as bad as English folk populating Welsh speaking areas and expecting everyone to speak English.
Tin hat on.
Look for 'The Landsker Line' in Wikipedia or similar.

There is actually nothing at all unusual about having Welsh place names for places even outside Wales, let alone within Wales [for Pete's sake!] London is Llundain, and Manchester is and always has been Manceinion, for instance. Caergrawnt for Cambridge is another of probably hundreds.
You need to get out more.
 

SteveHants

Member
Livestock Farmer
A cousin has a diary of our great, great grandfather, I think, and the word 'broc' is used for badger; he was from and in N. Carms circa 1830s, but I can't find another use of it around here at that time. After we moved back here I was chatting with a neighbour who, rightly, prides himself on his Welsh, I used the word 'broc', in a home counties accent!, and he hadn't heard it before, just the usual 'mochyn daear'.

Brock is sometimes used by the older generation in rural Hampshire, oddly enough.
 

SteveHants

Member
Livestock Farmer
As an aside, South Pembrokeshire has been English speaking since 1100 when Normans populated it with Flemish settlers. There seems to be an insidious attempt to Welsh-ify the area in recent years. Witness the ridiculous attempts at trying to give Cresselly a Welsh name, and a bilingual sign for Narberth, by dropping off the N to create Arberth......
This IMO is just as bad as English folk populating Welsh speaking areas and expecting everyone to speak English.
Tin hat on.

I wouldn't say "Narberth" has an Anglo-Saxon root, unless it has mutated considerably.
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Look for 'The Landsker Line' in Wikipedia or similar.

There is actually nothing at all unusual about having Welsh place names for places even outside Wales, let alone within Wales [for Pete's sake!] London is Llundain, and Manchester is and always has been Manceinion, for instance. Caergrawnt for Cambridge is another of probably hundreds.
You need to get out more.
The inhabitants of London call it London, Cambridge residents call Cambridge.....Cambridge.....and so on. Why attempt to Welshify English names ? It's daft. And in the case of Pembrokeshire , 1000 years of culture is being obliterated.
 

rhifsaith

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Location
Tregaron
The Welsh language is the most divisive thing in Wales.

As someone who understands quite a bit but doesn’t speak a great deal it is shocking how arrogant and rude a lot of Welsh speakers are.

Attending an agricultural college nearby many years ago it confirmed my idea of the arrogance when Welsh speaking lecturers and staff would rattle on in Welsh to the students who spoke it leaving out the ones who could not understand.

My wife speaks Welsh and we have made a conscious decision to educate our three children through the English medium as it gives them a better chance in further education.

I want my children to be global citizens not petty minded ignorant souls who have hardly travelled beyond the Welsh border.
What an absolutely pathetic thing to do,English speakers aren’t arrogant then? Bloody Nora I’ve read some stupid things on here. You must take first prize
 

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