Farming in France

Its not just the buying its everything else ,doesnt take much to have 100k tied up in gear thats just my little enterprise and yes livestock and everyones favorite the MSA they can bite you up the arse when you arnt looking(if you have the gear before hand that can make things alittle easier)
 
Ive just been having a work out its a bit more than 100k im first generation so have had to learn the hard way and cash flow, floods out and trickles in!!!!!!!I
Its a grey day so lets have some happer thoughts all in all its for me been a better place to bring up les enfants and weve had some good times along this route so i have a few memories to mask over these negative everyday farming things!!!!
 

Nigel Wellings

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For me the positives in France far outweigh the negatives. French govt wont sell farming out like UK attempting to do,food production in France still respected and important. Work/life balance better, schooling and healthcare hard to beat,best wine,cheese and bread in the world and still a proper sense of rural community that looks after its own. Shame that Charolais/Limousin steaks havent got a bit more flavour!
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
I have seen others in that situation with too much borrowed money or not enough capital and they have found it almost impossible to climb out of that vicious circle. Stretching yourself in the first place to take on a larger enterprise/holding and not having any money held back for the unforseen can cause a lot of hassle. I also know 2 french lads who have succeeded with very limited capital.
Yet all you hear is "big is better , more efficient" an Irish guy asked me " why did you buy such a small farm?"
I told him I didn't come with a million and a half! Like him.
80 HC is smack on Mr average here, at 63 and 56 it'll suit us till we're done. Control what's inside the gate and don't worry about what's outside it.👍 Got a place to retire into and no debt, wish I was 10 years younger . Kids will do what they want with the place.
 

Farmer_Joe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
The North
Its not just the buying its everything else ,doesnt take much to have 100k tied up in gear thats just my little enterprise and yes livestock and everyones favorite the MSA they can bite you up the arse when you arnt looking(if you have the gear before hand that can make things alittle easier)
What’s msa?
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
As a nosey observer, I’d be interested to hear the negative views too. I’ve yet to hear from anyone that wasn’t glad they made the move, on here or in RL.

I only ever hear about family left behind.
There is a successful pedigree bull breeder from England (or wales🤔) near by. When we were there to buy a bull the main thing we heard was how she missed the new grand children 😕
Only works if your a heartless fecker like me🙄
 
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Farmer_Joe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
The North

Mutualité sociale agricole It is your pension/healthcare, and can be expensive, It is partly why you need proper advice before starting farming in france​

Just had a look at that,

they still appear to do young farmers relief not sure i would qualify though for numerous reasons,

am i to understand if you own the business you pay 14% flat rate was a bit tricky as it was in a pdf so hard to translate. At least it covers a pension as well so not all bad!

side note, them websites literally translate into perfect English, must be the magic of google translate?
 

stewart

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Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
Everyones been really helpful with the possible exemption one person who warned me off it but with no explanation, it might not be for everyone but would be useful to hear why so i could consider if i may see the same issues my self?

Anyway thankyou all for input,

Just have to consider the kids thing now as thats the really tricky part to balance, Booking ferry for france next May so i would like to think i can come see some of you then.
Why limit yourself to France? It is a great country or at least the bits I've seen of it are, have you considered further afield, NZ? Australia? Canada? USA? The Antipodes farmers do not rely on subsidies and have sound infrastructures in place for agriculture. NZ has a few political issues at the moment due to the current totalitarian regime, hopefully that alters at the next election.
 

will l

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Mixed Farmer
Just had a look at that,

they still appear to do young farmers relief not sure i would qualify though for numerous reasons,

am i to understand if you own the business you pay 14% flat rate was a bit tricky as it was in a pdf so hard to translate. At least it covers a pension as well so not all bad!

side note, them websites literally translate into perfect English, must be the magic of google translate?
Not that simple i am afraid different rates for different revenue streams varies roughly from 17% for reveue foncier for example upto 47%, This is before you are taxed, It is very complicated and you need proper advice,
 
Just had a look at that,

they still appear to do young farmers relief not sure i would qualify though for numerous reasons,

am i to understand if you own the business you pay 14% flat rate was a bit tricky as it was in a pdf so hard to translate. At least it covers a pension as well so not all bad!

side note, them websites literally translate into perfect English, must be the magic of google translate?

You need a GOOD accountant.
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Just had a look at that,

they still appear to do young farmers relief not sure i would qualify though for numerous reasons,

am i to understand if you own the business you pay 14% flat rate was a bit tricky as it was in a pdf so hard to translate. At least it covers a pension as well so not all bad!

side note, them websites literally translate into perfect English, must be the magic of google translate?


There is a scheme for small one man band business. I think you may be looking at that🤔
Msa is 44% off profit, that is deducted off the remaining profit and tax is 8% of that. However it’s not as bad as that sounds, as that 44% you pay is deductible off next years profit. Plus, as a small farmer when you sell machinery, the profit over the depreciated amount on your books does not go onto your profit. Basically you have to keep buying and selling machinery and msa is not arduous at all. We have made some good profits over the 8 years but so far have paid very little msa or tax. But do have a lot of machinery 🙄
 

bobk

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Location
stafford
There is a scheme for small one man band business. I think you may be looking at that🤔
Msa is 44% off profit, that is deducted off the remaining profit and tax is 8% of that. However it’s not as bad as that sounds, as that 44% you pay is deductible off next years profit. Plus, as a small farmer when you sell machinery, the profit over the depreciated amount on your books does not go onto your profit. Basically you have to keep buying and selling machinery and msa is not arduous at all. We have made some good profits over the 8 years but so far have paid very little msa or tax. But do have a lot of machinery 🙄
I like buying machines . and selling them 🤔
 

Farmer_Joe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
The North
There is a scheme for small one man band business. I think you may be looking at that🤔
Msa is 44% off profit, that is deducted off the remaining profit and tax is 8% of that. However it’s not as bad as that sounds, as that 44% you pay is deductible off next years profit. Plus, as a small farmer when you sell machinery, the profit over the depreciated amount on your books does not go onto your profit. Basically you have to keep buying and selling machinery and msa is not arduous at all. We have made some good profits over the 8 years but so far have paid very little msa or tax. But do have a lot of machinery 🙄
I was gonna ask someone to give a brief breakdown of how it works literally, I love buying machinery so could work well!
Joking aside that sounds workable and I would hope to be a 1 man band type of job, in uk I’m a sole trader.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
There is a scheme for small one man band business. I think you may be looking at that🤔
Msa is 44% off profit, that is deducted off the remaining profit and tax is 8% of that. However it’s not as bad as that sounds, as that 44% you pay is deductible off next years profit. Plus, as a small farmer when you sell machinery, the profit over the depreciated amount on your books does not go onto your profit. Basically you have to keep buying and selling machinery and msa is not arduous at all. We have made some good profits over the 8 years but so far have paid very little msa or tax. But do have a lot of machinery 🙄

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