Farming is part of #thesolution - Series

graham99

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There is a lot of bad/pseudo science out there. You will frequently find that the real scientists findings are simply hijacked and misinterpreted often on purpose by organisations pushing their own agendas or to sex it up. And 99% of the public will make their decisions on these lightweight summaries via the media.
99% of the public are broke ,so take what is given to them.
 

Karliboy

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Livestock Farmer
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West Yorkshire
Spotted this on face ache
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primmiemoo

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Devon
Gardener's World on now. BBC Two.

Clear, sensible talking about wildflower meadows and pollinators. The representative of Plantlife mentions carbon sequestration, the importance of livestock grazing. How grassland is so very valuable to Monty Don. Use catch up TV to see.

Honestly, I could kiss the pair of them!
 
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primmiemoo

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Devon
I see the BBC Horizon programme on the other day about what the supermarkets don't tell you, the "expert" trotted out the old story British red meat is bad for the environment and if you must eat meat, chicken and pork are better. FFS this wrong information just makes my blood boil. :mad::mad::mad:

Use the BBC's own online complaints procedure to air your views about that programme. I've put in mine. That sort of lazy trotting out of disproven information with no effort to update with new information should be nipped.

I'm surprised that Dr Hannah Fry did not investigate further.
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
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Somerset
Gardener's World on now. BBC Two.

Clear, sensible talking about wildflower meadows and pollinators. The representative of Plantlife mentions carbon sequestration, the importance of livestock grazing. How grassland is so very valuable to Monty Don. Use catch up TV to see.

Honestly, I could kiss the pair of them!
Yep watched that and it was interesting, they did say that grassland can store as much carbon as woodland
One thing I did pick up on was them saying 95% of wild flower medows have been lost since the war but how would they know that, I cut some for hay evey year that is not on any scheme so I don't see how they know about it
 

Hampton

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Shropshire
Ok. I’ve just been reading the FW and according to Rothamstead research beef produces 17kg co2/kg meat. Does this mean that a 600kg bull will have produced 10.2t of co2?
If this is correct it puts the co2 production values higher than any I’ve seen before.
 

hendrebc

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Livestock Farmer
Ok. I’ve just been reading the FW and according to Rothamstead research beef produces 17kg co2/kg meat. Does this mean that a 600kg bull will have produced 10.2t of co2?
If this is correct it puts the co2 production values higher than any I’ve seen before.
If the bull had spent its life indoors having its food carried in and sh!t carried back out then maybe. If its been out grazing its too high. If its been grazed propelry it could even be a negative number.
I have no proof to back that up though just common sense and knowing what i have read.
 

Hampton

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Shropshire
If the bull had spent its life indoors having its food carried in and sh!t carried back out then maybe. If its been out grazing its too high. If its been grazed propelry it could even be a negative number.
I have no proof to back that up though just common sense and knowing what i have read.
That’s what I thought, but not according to Rothamstead!

To be blunt, if a 16 month 600kg bull produces 10.2t of CO2 during his life, we are f@cked
 
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Andrew

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Huntingdon, UK
That’s what I thought, but not according to Rothamstead!

To be blunt, if a 16 month 600kg bull produces 10.2t of CO2 during his life, we are f@cked

I think it said per kg of product, so take cold weight of the bull it will be closer to 8t. But is that produced, or net gain? Ie if it produces 8t but the grass it eats absorbs 9t then we’re better off.
 

hendrebc

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Livestock Farmer
That’s what I thought, but not according to Rothamstead!
Thing is its a very hard thing to prove and measure. Indoor kept beef is pretty easy to measure because whatever fuel is burnt feeding/bedding and whatever is used to make their feed and that is the carbon footprint. Its easy and has probably been measured by cleverer people than me so i wouldnt quiestion someone who says indoor feedlot style beef has a high carbon footprint because it probably does. But that isnt the only way as we know. When you turn them out there isnt any carbon burnt feeding them and they can sequester carbon by trampling grass down into the ground turning it into carbon rich humus in the soil. But that is a very difficult thing to measure and people dont understand the difference so dont look for any difference either. Beef is beef as far as most people ae concerned. Its up to us to tell and show them the difference and try and educate people about how grazing ruminants are part of the solution and a great source of natural healthy protein. Its a bloody farce that quorn can sell itself on the healthy protein healthy planet bulls**t they peddle. Makes my blood boil when i see them say that. Whats good for the planet about mega processed gloop? Not good for the people who eat it either come to that. Its banned in canada because its so bad for you but no one will tell you that.
 

Treg

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cornwall
Thing is its a very hard thing to prove and measure. Indoor kept beef is pretty easy to measure because whatever fuel is burnt feeding/bedding and whatever is used to make their feed and that is the carbon footprint. Its easy and has probably been measured by cleverer people than me so i wouldnt quiestion someone who says indoor feedlot style beef has a high carbon footprint because it probably does. But that isnt the only way as we know. When you turn them out there isnt any carbon burnt feeding them and they can sequester carbon by trampling grass down into the ground turning it into carbon rich humus in the soil. But that is a very difficult thing to measure and people dont understand the difference so dont look for any difference either. Beef is beef as far as most people ae concerned. Its up to us to tell and show them the difference and try and educate people about how grazing ruminants are part of the solution and a great source of natural healthy protein. Its a bloody farce that quorn can sell itself on the healthy protein healthy planet bullpoo they peddle. Makes my blood boil when i see them say that. Whats good for the planet about mega processed gloop? Not good for the people who eat it either come to that. Its banned in canada because its so bad for you but no one will tell you that.
Don't forget it carries a health warning on the pack that it can cause a allergic reaction because it contains mold ( It's made from mold ) and yet they advertise it as healthy :scratchhead:
 

primmiemoo

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Devon
Don't forget it carries a health warning on the pack that it can cause a allergic reaction because it contains mold ( It's made from mold ) and yet they advertise it as healthy :scratchhead:

Quite a bit of my food contains mould :facepalm::stinkyfeet: cos I like smelly cheeses, and I like jam:) :hungry:. They have healthy moulds, so I'm not sure how the advice on the vat produced meat substitute squares with the healthy image it advertises, either.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
What is wrong with the BBC? PM Radio 4 this evening discussing government recommendations on Vegan diets have a dietician on (fair enough), then some ruddy woman from the American animal rights group PETA spouting animal rights untruths more or less unchallenged. What has she got to do with the dietary needs on children for heavens sake. :mad::mad::mad::mad:
 

jondear

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Devon
What is wrong with the BBC? PM Radio 4 this evening discussing government recommendations on Vegan diets have a dietician on (fair enough), then some ruddy woman from the American animal rights group PETA spouting animal rights untruths more or less unchallenged. What has she got to do with the dietary needs on children for heavens sake. :mad::mad::mad::mad:
Just listened to it !Just a one sided debate from peta nut job ! Basically everyone is going to die if not vegan .All livestock farming is cruel !:mad::banghead::scratchhead:
 

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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