Christoph1945
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Anyone remember 'Solent Green' ?
Farming is part of #thesolution - Series
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So what is the annual emissions from a typical person?
typical Brit or typical African ....? Either way, no idea.
I do know that 1863 is the date it all went pear shaped; that's the year that man-made co2 emissions first overtook natural emissions.
I wanted to use it to suggest that climate change and the vegan/vegetarian agenda should be kept separate as climate change is being used for their own agenda rather than for anything that would help the planet.
Not sure if a tonne is regarded as a large amount or not though.
well, looking at that graph again, they are saying that having 1 less child reduces your emissions by 58 t / yr.
So, are they saying that 58 t is the annual co2 output from one person ?
whole graph seems pretty pointless to me as it all depends what your starting point is; which country you live in, the lifestyle you lead etc.
you are absolutely right, the vegan/vegetarian claims on climate change are so dubious as to be meaningless.
Never eaten a biscuit since!!
Christoph1945
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Yesterday I went to an AHDB building suppliers forum convened at Stoneleigh. It's a fairly regular gig and I felt previous meetings have been as much about meeting competitors and the industry as the subject matter in hand (especially how lucky we are having the NPA on our side) . Yesterday was different and both my colleague and I came away feeling the two topics; ammonia and odour modelling were useful topics and with good presentations by the two key speakers.
The morning session on ammonia, it became crystal clear how the train had been set in motion with Mr Gove's blue sky thinking. The dairy industry (and the cattle industry in general) are in for some major reduction strategy requirements.
Why I'm posting here is how I saw in one report how Government policy is influenced. A simple pie chart apportioning 25% of ammonia emissions to dairy and 25% to beef with all other contributors (storage, spreading, poultry, pigs, equine and many other smaller elements) accounting for the other "half". I queried the beef figure and it became pretty clear there were some major assumptions about grazing intensity, slurry accrual, housing period, etc on the beef "quarter". I was quite shocked that the % had been stated as so high.
Now if this report becomes the basis of policy and without any challenge, who / how can we counter this at a stage before the Government accepts this as gospel and the media get hold of it as justification for legislation and reduction strategies?
The morning session on ammonia, it became crystal clear how the train had been set in motion with Mr Gove's blue sky thinking. The dairy industry (and the cattle industry in general) are in for some major reduction strategy requirements.
Why I'm posting here is how I saw in one report how Government policy is influenced. A simple pie chart apportioning 25% of ammonia emissions to dairy and 25% to beef with all other contributors (storage, spreading, poultry, pigs, equine and many other smaller elements) accounting for the other "half". I queried the beef figure and it became pretty clear there were some major assumptions about grazing intensity, slurry accrual, housing period, etc on the beef "quarter". I was quite shocked that the % had been stated as so high.
Now if this report becomes the basis of policy and without any challenge, who / how can we counter this at a stage before the Government accepts this as gospel and the media get hold of it as justification for legislation and reduction strategies?
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I would say you are right.
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It won't be to everyone's liking, but I'm loving the fact WWF have got behind regenerative agriculture with this video featuring Gabe Brown.
We need the environmental bodies to get on board and start recognising the importance of livestock in a sustainable (even regenerative) future of food production.
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Except, of course, the methane being released from fracking sites, melting permafrost etc.
Can we have this on facebook so that we can share it please?
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And fertiliser manufacturing....!
I hope that works, mate, if not it's worth checking out the 'Food Lies' page anyway!
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primmiemoo
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Slightly worried that Panorama on BBC 1 just now has stitched up Rothamstead North Wyke into not explaining their work about the carbon footprint of beef. The impression given was that only specially bred breeds of cattle will be ok for low carbon meat a long way in the future. Nothing was mentioned about carbon sequestration into grassland, or about grass fed beef, but there was a throwaway mention that feeding seaweed or clover cut cattle emissions. Did the journalist/presenter ask the Rothamstead prof. the wrong questions?
Finding the most efficient feed converters/lowest emissions producers in a population of cattle and and breeding for those traits is the thrust of the study that was shown, that's perfectly true, but that work was juxtaposed against film of another academic who right away told the nice family in the programme to cut down meat and dairy - with the strong implication that that's more important than any other carbon footprint reducing methods they might employ.
I've gloogled articles by the second prof. (The Grauniad came top in my search, so I read it), whose writing seems breathtakingly superficial in failing to distinguish the carbon footprint of intensive soya fed beef and any alternative. He's meant to be an expert, and has cropped up on an older Horizon programme with a similar format - again advising against meat.
The programme had some sensible things to say about heating and travel, and cutting down food waste, but didn't dwell on those.
Was I being oversensitive about the change of diet section?
Finding the most efficient feed converters/lowest emissions producers in a population of cattle and and breeding for those traits is the thrust of the study that was shown, that's perfectly true, but that work was juxtaposed against film of another academic who right away told the nice family in the programme to cut down meat and dairy - with the strong implication that that's more important than any other carbon footprint reducing methods they might employ.
I've gloogled articles by the second prof. (The Grauniad came top in my search, so I read it), whose writing seems breathtakingly superficial in failing to distinguish the carbon footprint of intensive soya fed beef and any alternative. He's meant to be an expert, and has cropped up on an older Horizon programme with a similar format - again advising against meat.
The programme had some sensible things to say about heating and travel, and cutting down food waste, but didn't dwell on those.
Was I being oversensitive about the change of diet section?
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NO, It is massively over-simplified by the mainstream media, especially the BBC. I suspect that the editors and journalists either don't understand it themselves or think that the public are too stupid to take a nuanced presentation.
As for the programme, I didn't see it but suspect it is a case of distortion in the editing.