farming knowledge gone.

[Hilly]

Nobody believes that we'llstarve due to people becoming more reliant on tech, and what does it matter if it's straight anyway, most of that is just vanity.

The auto steer is just an example of how people are using less and less of their brain and body compared with the past.
Most people cannot count in their head these days either, many will say we don't need to because we have a calculator in our pocket, but an estimate is useful for when an extra zero is added by mistake.

Nobody believes that we'llstarve due to people becoming more reliant on tech, and what does it matter if it's straight anyway, most of that is just vanity.

The auto steer is just an example of how people are using less and less of their brain and body compared with the past.
Most people cannot count in their head these days either, many will say we don't need to because we have a calculator in our pocket, but an estimate is useful for when an extra zero is added by mistake.

Counting is a classic example , my mother 90 plus as a youth worked in co op office , counting money , at 90 plus she can count faster than me
Using a calculator as i i am of a generation that has always used a calculator so my counting skills are diluted due to tech !!

 

[Shutesy]

aye but you managed because you just have the sense of it and then get out and look when you have followed previous cultivation and about 7 yards out

Without gps you do have to just manage as best you can but running our own farms and contracting for multiple other farmers we cant afford to waste time loosing our way in dusty or dark conditions or doing a poor job having misses, wobbles, double drilled bits etc.

 

[Shutesy]

Do you not understand that technology is their to make life easy , if you have a certain skill that you have and tech comes along and takes over that skill will die with you as no one else learns it as texh dose it for them not just agg everything so tech erodes skill base .

Yes fully agree no doubt tech is taking over from certain skills, it often makes life easier as a result but then also makes it more accurate, efficient or faster which is usually always a benefit whether in ag or other industries.

 

[Shutesy]

We’ve got one tractor with GPS the rest without. Sometimes i get on it and forget how to make it drive itself so i have to steer it.

Even a younger guy jumping on 1 machine with a gps system in a fleet of a other few machines without might take a while to remember how it all works properly. We have 5 machines all with the same JD greenstar system on them so once you know how it works it's the same a d 2nd nature whatever machine you jump on that day.

 

[Lowland1]

Even a younger guy jumping on 1 machine with a gps system in a fleet of a other few machines without might take a while to remember how it all works properly. We have 5 machines all with the same JD greenstar system on them so once you know how it works it's the same a d 2nd nature whatever machine you jump on that day.

We’ve bought a Combine but i’ve never bought a combine before and it’s years since i’ve driven one my son was getting fed up with me losing the height setting by pressing the button too long. That’s me gaining knowledge.

 

[Bury the Trash]

well no ones yet explained to me what an isobus is

 

[Lowland1]

well no ones yet explained to me what an isobus is

A bus on it’s own hence Isobus. Isolated Bus simple really.

 

[ajd132]

well no ones yet explained to me what an isobus is

It’s great. No need for loads of control boxes. Saves money on new drills too some of those control boxes can be £500+

 

[Will 1594]

Without gps you do have to just manage as best you can but running our own farms and contracting for multiple other farmers we cant afford to waste time loosing our way in dusty or dark conditions or doing a poor job having misses, wobbles, double drilled bits etc.

aye was talking years back
use gps for everything now
drill curved fields on a b curve
looking at putting atu on lawn mower to satisfy the ocd

 

[Bury the Trash]

well no ones yet explained to me what an isobus is

well mate ....
all the answers are on the internet

"What is ISOBUS? ISO: International Standardization Organization BUS: Binary Unit System BUS is a generic term to describe the physical connection between electronic components, such as: • ISOBUS •CANBUS • CCDBUS ISOBUS allows customers to use one display "


Seriously though there is a huge amount of info on the likes of this forum, get it printed off if its really important and you're scared of losing it compile into book form whatever .
Its called transfer of knowledge ,either laterally or from the past to the future.

Infact one my motivations for posting some stuff (useful or not )
..........is to record it at least somewhere so all is not lost forever.



Ciao.

 

[Hilly]

well no ones yet explained to me what an isobus is

Saves having lots of control boxes in your cabinet .

 

[Derrick Hughes]

The Guy on the right could grow Mangols like ive never seen , he knew more about sheep than I will ever know , had no kids and buried now in the local churchyard , he tought me a fair bit ,but most of his knowledge was buried with him , lovely chap to know , he detested farmers ploughing to deep

 

[Bury the Trash]

Saves having lots of control boxes in your cabinet .

A good example then, of manufactures allowing their products to work with that of others, ie saving the end customer money /resources.
There's far more that could be done like that ,for instance alot of EID stuff wont work with another manufacturers ,well wont is not quite correct, most actually will work together but that 'vital ' bit of info to connect all with all thus giving free choice of brands / mix and match components /best price etc. is left out of those so called user manuals they send out with kit these days, like 10 pages of hse bumf and how to switch it on and off and how to upload their software the rest is 150 pages in another language

You tube can help sort a lot of it mind you plus a lot of time wasted time trying to get it all to run smoothly and actually save time in the long run.

 

[DRC]

The things that will be lost are drainage plans and knowledge of things like where the old wells and outfalls are .
This in my opinion is down to short term FBTs where the tenants / contract farmers can’t be bothered to investigate wet areas or clean out the ditches . See it time and again on our estate . Wet holes getting bigger and folks driving around them . I’ve got a file full of old and newer drainage plans.
wonder if anyone will ask for them when we leave .

 

[Bury the Trash]

The things that will be lost are drainage plans and knowledge of things like where the old wells and outfalls are .
This in my opinion is down to short term FBTs where the tenants / contract farmers can’t be bothered to investigate wet areas or clean out the ditches . See it time and again on our estate . Wet holes getting bigger and folks driving around them . I’ve got a file full of old and newer drainage plans.
wonder if anyone will ask for them when we leave .

but surely all the clever cloggs big men top bidders that come along to expand with that what is now fbt let and that are so superior that they wont need all those plans ,they will be able to find them themselves

 

[Barleymow]

I'm sure most could learn it, if for instance no GPS was available worldwide for some reason. I'm 32, use GPS for nearly every task now on a tractor but grew up drilling, ploughing etc with no GPS at all and I know which method I would rather have nowadays. Many farmers still scoff at GPS steering saying driving straight is a dying art, using a GPS system to its full benefit is a new skill that has replaced it. To be drilling for example to 1 inch accuracy whether at 8am, 3pm or 11pm perfectly straight or in conditions like this;
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Is just not possible without the help of technology. Without the GPS yesterday in the above photo I would have had no clue where my drill mark was!

Managed in Australia in 85 with more dust than that

 

[som farmer]

we do not have gps, but this year, different contractor, who did.
what it meant for us, our maize fields boundaries, were set by the rolling english drunkard, so 1 bag extra seed ordered, gps meant no over drilling on headland, result, 2 bags seed over, £160 saved. Neighbour had 6 left over !

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Would be interesting to cross check this thread against the one where plenty posters couldn’t download a simple spreadsheet, fill in a few boxes and send it on by email. That’s far easier than changing a tyre and yet plenty seemed to not manage.

I'd rather fix a tractor tyre puncture or even do a full service on a Transit than to have anything to do with a computer!!!

 

[FonterraFarmer]

we do not have gps, but this year, different contractor, who did.
what it meant for us, our maize fields boundaries, were set by the rolling english drunkard, so 1 bag extra seed ordered, gps meant no over drilling on headland, result, 2 bags seed over, £160 saved. Neighbour had 6 left over !

It doesn't necessarily require sophisticated software or technology to be accurate, but it does help,I had to do some spraying for the neighbour once half a year ago based on estimated areas only to find out that the paddocks were considerably smaller, which then begs the question when in relation to spray/seed/fertilisers applied ,just how much did it cost when considerably more product was used than required?

 

[Macsky]

It might be for you but I for one couldn’t do it . Change a wheel no problem even change a tyre no problem. It all goes back to knowledge transfer and I’ve never had that knowledge transferred**.

**successfully