Farming REALITY CHECK!

[Bossfarmer]

Nothing wrong with 5500 litres per cow. Ran 180 all year round calving british friesan herd averaging 6400 litres until 4 years ago, and before you say it, profitably, miss it a fair bit. Not money why we went out, was me mum and dad, who are now 79, doing it with a guy 2 days a week, with 1200 ewe lambs lambing and 100 sucklers. Couldn't find staff so something had to give. What you don't spend you don't have to earn, and cows in calf in 2.5 months and no vets bills. !0,000 litre herds have always been the ones moaning theyre losing money

why not get rid of the sheep or sucklers though? if your set up for dairy surely it would be the biggest money maker?

 

[Baling Hay]

my point is without any support to fall back on in the bad times unnecessary mass culls are having to take place and then rapid restocking when the price goes up again

At least that will sort out the oversupply issue and get the market back in balance again, you subsidised farmers would continue to flood the market because of your benefits cheque!

 

[Henarar]

At least that will sort out the oversupply issue and get the market back in balance again, you subsidised farmers would continue to flood the market because of your benefits cheque!

Quite right get rid of all subsidy's including the ones you get

 

[Baling Hay]

Quite right get rid of all subsidy's including the ones you get

Couldn't agree more!

 

[Henarar]

Couldn't agree more!

everywhere and not import anything that is not up to the standards imposed on us
and be prepared for the rise in food prices in the shops

a few will be on the streets mind if they can't pick up their money every week, lots of uneducated kids about, nart new there then LOL
lots of things are subsidised

 

[Bossfarmer]

how are we going to persuade China to scrap its subs completely and create a level playingfield????? they've just spent the last few years INCREASING farm subsidies!!

 

[Pasty]

how are we going to persuade China to scrap its subs completely and create a level playingfield????? they've just spent the last few years INCREASING farm subsidies!!

Here's a serious alternative. IF China are subbing grain production so much, why don't we stop? They are taking money out of their tax payer's pockets to produce cheap grain. I don't know the lay of the land very well up there but I am married to a Scots girl and have been up plenty but let's say you gave up on grain and just produced beef, sheep and poultry using that cheap Chinese grain. You don't have to compete as you can sell your Scots beef, lamb and poultry to the Chinese at a premium over their own. Probably Whisky too if you use their grain but make up some BS about the water. So, in effect, they are taxing their people to give you cheap grain to produce a premium product to sell back to those people. What's not to like about that?

 

[czechmate]

everywhere and not import anything that is not up to the standards imposed on us
and be prepared for the rise in food prices in the shops

a few will be on the streets mind if they can't pick up their money every week, lots of uneducated kids about, nart new there then LOL
lots of things are subsidised

After your previous post I couldn't help but think of the scene in "slum dog millionaire", when the organisers of a begging ring are burning out a young kids eyes because he is worth more as a beggar, blind

 

[Henarar]

After your previous post I couldn't help but think of the scene in "slum dog millionaire", when the organisers of a begging ring are burning out a young kids eyes because he is worth more as a beggar, blind

never seen it
I was only agreeing with the bloke
or can we only talk about farmers subs as they are an easy target

 

[czechmate]

never seen it
I was only agreeing with the bloke
or can we only talk about farmers subs as they are an easy target

No, I was just thinking about the right wing utopia of dumping all benefits and as a young facist I was very anti benefits myself.
Now having softened with age I can see the harsh reality of a no benefit state

 

[Hilly]

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I dont see what your problem with this is ? low price less cows, what do you want them to do with the cows keep them at a loss ?

 

[Hilly]

everywhere and not import anything that is not up to the standards imposed on us
and be prepared for the rise in food prices in the shops

a few will be on the streets mind if they can't pick up their money every week, lots of uneducated kids about, nart new there then LOL
lots of things are subsidised

Kids are subsidised, child benefit, cock rent.

 

[Bossfarmer]

Here's a serious alternative. IF China are subbing grain production so much, why don't we stop? They are taking money out of their tax payer's pockets to produce cheap grain. I don't know the lay of the land very well up there but I am married to a Scots girl and have been up plenty but let's say you gave up on grain and just produced beef, sheep and poultry using that cheap Chinese grain. You don't have to compete as you can sell your Scots beef, lamb and poultry to the Chinese at a premium over their own. Probably Whisky too if you use their grain but make up some BS about the water. So, in effect, they are taxing their people to give you cheap grain to produce a premium product to sell back to those people. What's not to like about that?

Here's a serious alternative. IF China are subbing grain production so much, why don't we stop? They are taking money out of their tax payer's pockets to produce cheap grain. I don't know the lay of the land very well up there but I am married to a Scots girl and have been up plenty but let's say you gave up on grain and just produced beef, sheep and poultry using that cheap Chinese grain. You don't have to compete as you can sell your Scots beef, lamb and poultry to the Chinese at a premium over their own. Probably Whisky too if you use their grain but make up some BS about the water. So, in effect, they are taxing their people to give you cheap grain to produce a premium product to sell back to those people. What's not to like about that?

Here's a serious alternative. IF China are subbing grain production so much, why don't we stop? They are taking money out of their tax payer's pockets to produce cheap grain. I don't know the lay of the land very well up there but I am married to a Scots girl and have been up plenty but let's say you gave up on grain and just produced beef, sheep and poultry using that cheap Chinese grain. You don't have to compete as you can sell your Scots beef, lamb and poultry to the Chinese at a premium over their own. Probably Whisky too if you use their grain but make up some BS about the water. So, in effect, they are taxing their people to give you cheap grain to produce a premium product to sell back to those people. What's not to like about that?

Here's a serious alternative. IF China are subbing grain production so much, why don't we stop? They are taking money out of their tax payer's pockets to produce cheap grain. I don't know the lay of the land very well up there but I am married to a Scots girl and have been up plenty but let's say you gave up on grain and just produced beef, sheep and poultry using that cheap Chinese grain. You don't have to compete as you can sell your Scots beef, lamb and poultry to the Chinese at a premium over their own. Probably Whisky too if you use their grain but make up some BS about the water. So, in effect, they are taxing their people to give you cheap grain to produce a premium product to sell back to those people. What's not to like about that?

 

[Henarar]

Kids are subsidised, child benefit, cock rent.

yea bloody stupid waste of money and would knock the gov spend on AG in to a top hat, ban having kids and import grownups ready to work, much cheaper
by the way I have no kids so I am doing my bit to end this senseless waste of public money
farmers subsidy, chicken feed as far as public money is concerned

by the way I don't think we should do the above, just that saying get rid of subs would do more damage than some think
just by walking down the road you are taking a subsidy

 

[Will Blackburn]

Kids are subsidised, child benefit, cock rent.

I thought that word was subbed for male hen.

 

[Bossfarmer]

Here's a serious alternative. IF China are subbing grain production so much, why don't we stop? They are taking money out of their tax payer's pockets to produce cheap grain. I don't know the lay of the land very well up there but I am married to a Scots girl and have been up plenty but let's say you gave up on grain and just produced beef, sheep and poultry using that cheap Chinese grain. You don't have to compete as you can sell your Scots beef, lamb and poultry to the Chinese at a premium over their own. Probably Whisky too if you use their grain but make up some BS about the water. So, in effect, they are taxing their people to give you cheap grain to produce a premium product to sell back to those people. What's not to like about that?

Ok pasty, where am i going to get all my straw from if i dont grow grain pasty? And how will i get my tattie rent if i dont grow a rotation? Thats not to mention theres very little money in sucklers without subsidies unless u have sandy ground or a hill to outwinter them on

 

[Hilly]

Hilly loves young jimmy, Christmas cards and all as I understand it

Pah ! i wont put my true thoughts on her on the tinternet.

 

[Henarar]

Pah ! i wont put my true thoughts on her on the tinternet.

 

[Spuddler]

yea bloody stupid waste of money and would knock the gov spend on AG in to a top hat, ban having kids and import grownups ready to work, much cheaper
by the way I have no kids so I am doing my bit to end this senseless waste of public money
farmers subsidy, chicken feed as far as public money is concerned

by the way I don't think we should do the above, just that saying get rid of subs would do more damage than some think
just by walking down the road you are taking a subsidy

yawn

 

[Lovegoodstock]

In reply to @Bossfarmer we are based on three sites, albeit within a couple of miles of eachother. We obviously had a dairy set up, but wouldn't say we were geared up to just dairy, we are a mixed farm, the reason the dairy went first was in our area we can not get staff, so dairy needs staff, can run 1300 sheep 200 odd sucklers on my own with a bit of casual staff and contractors doing muck fert etc. Also coincided with nvz regulation, had to spend to the tune of 275k, and with lack of potential staff a none starter