Farming without subsidies

I am not after providing a service or for that matter copying the nhs,just interested why your free market mantra cannot apply to health and why we need so many laws to protect people from dangerous drugs or procedures,surely following your thinking as long as it cheaper it should be allowed in the country

Err, the free market is used to supply a health service in some countries. Unsurprisingly, it doesn't work.
 

hally

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Livestock Farmer
Location
cumbria
I am sorry the secret police force you to continue to farm in the face of poor prices.
Surely food production is far too important to be left to the whims of governments, economists, commodity traders and so on. Most european governments have realised that farmers feeding 500 million people cannot be left solely in the hands of commodity markets and so most of them have some mechanism to protect those farmers through periods of unprofitabity often caused by issues out of there control such as weather, disease or periods of oversupply.
It is simplistic and naive to compare agriculture with a lot of other industries because of its long term nature, you simply cannot turn on and off livestock production to match demand as can be done with most other industries. You commented the other day that if you are losing money get out as if that was an obvious answer, but what about the dairy guys a couple of years ago when a lot were losing money, should they have all sold up and we would be left with no milk at all? Most of us actually involved in farming on a day to day basis realise that producing a commodity is marathon not a sprint. Some years you lose some you win some as it is all over the world.
Other areas of the world have a different outlook but very few have the population density of Europe, so with small populations and more land there is less of a risk getting the food supply wrong. Somebody with a full stomach may have a lot of problems but if he is hungry he will only think about one.
 

turbo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
lincs
I give up, honestly I do. Nothing but a collection of communists on here. Either work and making a living and a profit or get a fupping life and do something else, either way just don't moan about it.
You have the cheek to call people communist while working in an organization that wouldn’t be out of place in a commie country
 

Agrispeed

Member
Location
Cornwall
Subsidisation in this country has no effect on world food supply and pricing. It also has basically no effect on the price people pay for staple food stuffs.

I am sorry the secret police force you to continue to farm in the face of poor prices.

Exactly, if farmers don't like the prices supermarkets pay then they have options. Most won't do anything else because it requires more work and effort :facepalm:
 
I give up, honestly I do. Nothing but a collection of communists on here. Either work and making a living and a profit or get a fupping life and do something else, either way just don't moan about it.
Well done for fighting the good fight (y)
Have a good first day back tomorrow :)
And don’t worry there are some
Of us cracking on living in the 21st century making money and not complaining about prices.
Though the weather maybe a different matter!
 
Subsidisation in this country has no effect on world food supply and pricing. It also has basically no effect on the price people pay for staple food stuffs.



Exactly, if farmers don't like the prices supermarkets pay then they have options. Most won't do anything else because it requires more work and effort :facepalm:
I’m not sure it does require more work and effort just a change in mindset which can be a very scary place.
 

hally

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
cumbria
Subsidisation in this country has no effect on world food supply and pricing. It also has basically no effect on the price people pay for staple food stuffs.



Exactly, if farmers don't like the prices supermarkets pay then they have options. Most won't do anything else because it requires more work and effort :facepalm:
There is always options for direct selling and niche products but the market will always be limited hence the name. Somebody needs to supply the supermarkets as they still sell most of the produce, we just need a fair price for both sides of the deal. Not all of us disappointed when dealing with the supermarkets, I’m very happy with the price Morrison’s are currently paying for my lamb(y)
 
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